How much damage have the radical lefties here done to their cause ?

[nonpartyboy]

Just looking at some of the threads here (the asylum one,the single mothers one),to name but a few and the attitude from our more radical pc posters seems to be that the state(the taxpayer) should pick up the bill for every manner of lifestyle choice that anyone wishes to make.Nobody should be held responsible for their actions,and furthermore regardless of the cost the state should pickup the bill,there seems to be a belief that there is some magic pot of money that is there to vindicate everyone's "rights".

I would consider myself a reasonable person and wouldn't have an issue helping the genuine hard cases,but some of the defending of the indefencible here and i suspect from people actually directly involved in the "rights" industry would actually drive you in the other direction,to believe the state is being taken for a mug wholesale and serious reform is needed.Attitudes change over time and sometimes i think these radical lefties do their cause more harm than good within the general populice,no different to say the NF from the other spectrum.

I'm interested to know what other "ordinary" posters take from these threads ?Do they push you more to the right or left ?Or do they make no difference ?

[robert151410]

This is a bit of fun. Lighten up for goodness sake.

[dotski_w_]

I would consider myself a reasonable person

Everyone thinks that about themselves.

i think these radical lefties do their cause more harm than good within the general populice,no different to say the NF from the other spectrum.

I'm sure most members of the "populice" know the difference between lefties who defend lone parents from anonymous attack, and racist scumbags who attack minorities. But then, maybe most of them are brighter than you are.

I'm interested to know what other "ordinary" posters take from these threads ?Do they push you more to the right or left ?Or do they make no difference ?

By "ordinary" you of course mean people who hold your views, I take it? Those on the left aren't "ordinary", are they. In fact, a number of posts defending lone parents against attack in that thread were from people who weren't radical lefties at all, and who adopt positions that would be characterised as right wing on other issues. But hey, as Stephen Colbert said, "The Truth has a liberal bias".

[Andrew49]

Yeah a €400 billion bill for a lifestyle choice is a bit much for us, and our children and our grandchildren to held responsible for. We should stop these bunch of bankers and property developers from fÿcking us - these guys seems to have a belief that there is some magic pot of money there for them .... Oh hold on ...... there is !!!!

I myself wouldn't have an issue helping the genuine hard cases - I think the guy with the €28,000,000 pension is obviously more deserving than the guy who got his hands on €87,000,000. Do the math - 87 million minus 28 million leaves that guy €59,000,000 worse off! The Poor Poor Fellow. That €87,000,000 guy is taking the state for a mug wholesale and it needs serious reform. I know 87 million in a pot of 400 billion is just a drop in the ocean but we have to draw the line somewhere and cracking down on women who are having sex outside marriage is a great place to start.

[nonpartyboy]

Everyone thinks that about themselves.



I'm sure most members of the "populice" know the difference between lefties who defend lone parents from anonymous attack, and racist scumbags who attack minorities. But then, maybe most of them are brighter than you are.



By "ordinary" you of course mean people who hold your views, I take it? Those on the left aren't "ordinary", are they. In fact, a number of posts defending lone parents against attack in that thread were from people who weren't radical lefties at all, and who adopt positions that would be characterised as right wing on other issues. But hey, as Stephen Colbert said, "The Truth has a liberal bias".

Good morning,you've certainly got your knickers in a twist and i don't think i even posted in that thread.I have no issue with people on the left as such,only the one's who refuse to accept that anyone is taking the system for a mug, it also appears strange to me that the state only appears to fund organisations than promote the lefts thinking.It's vital that the state provides a safety net for people, but nobody is funded to promote an alternative view afaik.

[nonpartyboy]

Yeah a €400 billion bill for a lifestyle choice is a bit much for us, and our children and our grandchildren to held responsible for. We should stop these bunch of bankers and property developers from fÿcking us - these guys seems to have a belief that there is some magic pot of money there for them .... Oh hold on ...... there is !!!!

I myself wouldn't have an issue helping the genuine hard cases - I think the guy with the €28,000,000 pension is obviously more deserving than the guy who got his hands on €87,000,000. Do the math - 87 million minus 28 million leaves that guy €59,000,000 worse off! The Poor Poor Fellow. That €87,000,000 guy is taking the state for a mug wholesale and it needs serious reform. I know 87 million in a pot of 400 billion is just a drop in the ocean but we have to draw the line somewhere and cracking down on women who are having sex outside marriage is a great place to start.

You're dead right,but this is a FF choice not a right wing choice.In the states, far more right wing than here all these boys would have done the perp walk by now,and that's just for the questioning,nevermind the trial.

[robert151410]

Good morning,you've certainly got your knickers in a twist.I have no issue with people on the left as such,only the one's who refuse to accept that anyone is taking the system for a mug, it also appears strange to me that the state only appears to fund organisations than promote the lefts thinking.It's vital that the state provides a safety net for people, but nobody is funded to promote an alternative view afaik.

on the left as such : what does that qualification mean?

Dont get me wrong. I hate the pinko liberal 'save the lesbian whale' treehugging, commie loving, catholic church hating left wing intelligentia. Worse than that, I hate the Dublin 'faux working class' garbage, the chief architect of which was none other than Tony 'no tie' Gregory.

[nonpartyboy]

on the left as such : what does that qualification mean?

Well i suppose people who believe we should help the downtrodden and marginalised in society and that we should not promote a dog eat dog society.I would agree with this, I just believe the state should help people to help themselves and i believe the balance is now wrong and that the state is actively promoting the wrong lifestyle choices.

"Dublin 'faux working class' garbage" who is that ?

[LeftOfCentre]

I consider my self on the left but will somewhat agree with the OP.

There are those in the country that have a constant ''hand out'' mentality. They have no realisation that money has to come from somewhere and believe it's ok to have 4 children even though you know you can not afford them.

On the flip side, I am a strong believer that our political system should strive towards a system where EVERY citizen of our republic has an equal opportunity to grow learn and indeed attain wealth.

My problem with the ''right'' who speak out so vehemently against these spongers is that they have no reasonable solution for the problem
Cry's of ''cut their Dole!,'' ''their just Lazy!,'' ''It's their own choice to be unemployed'' are hardly solutions.

.... It is clear that behind many of their sanitised opinions lyes a deep seated belief that for instance - a child born into a middle class home, has more entitlement & ''worth'' than a child born into the family of a working class drug abuser.

(lets say both children a borne today)

Fast forward 25 Years>>>>>

These two children will have VERY VERY different childhoods, the percentages suggest that...

>child one will be well educated, have had strong moral guidence through life & will value education & hard work ((although of course ! he might have become a drud addict or thief! but i am generalising)) ....... He will probably be on the P.ie 0f 2034 complaining that too much of his income is going to support child two. .... He may have set up his own business in the safe knowledge that if it failed the biggest loss to him would be embarrassment. . . His mummy & Daddy shaped safety net is always their to lessen the supposed risks he took. He looks down of those who did not take the same rsks as him,,, even though failure for them meant homelessness.

> Child two - got his girl friend pregnant at 16, and another girl pregnant at 19 ,,,, they chase him constantly for maintenance, but he doesn't care and has no concept of personal responsibility. He has been on the Dole for 5 years but works illegally most weeks.


I believe that both of these children are 100% equal on the day of their birth..... and That all state taxation systems should be geared towards providing these children with as equal an up bringing as is possible. . . . . . Right wingers generally want less state involvement in society.... Its no surprise that most where borne in category one ,,,, and their life could easily do without state involvement.

In my experiance their are two types of right wingers .....
1. Those who, by virtue of their middle class arrival into the world, have it ingrained into them that life is hierarchal, and feel that they are somewhere in the middle ,,,, they enjoy looking down on others as they feel it elevates their status.
2 Those who genuinely believe a ''free market'' ''personal responsibility'' approach, is the best way to run a society ,,,,,

The problem with both of these positions are that in general (ok there are lucky exceptions!) these people have no idea what it would be like to grow up in a world devoid of role models, , , and furthermore ,,, are often perturbed by having to ponder exactly HOW,,, they would have faired in a more equal society.

[dotski_w_]

Good morning,you've certainly got your knickers in a twist and i don't think i even posted in that thread.I have no issue with people on the left as such,only the one's who refuse to accept that anyone is taking the system for a mug, it also appears strange to me that the state only appears to fund organisations than promote the lefts thinking.It's vital that the state provides a safety net for people, but nobody is funded to promote an alternative view afaik.

Hmmm ......

The state funds "lefts thinking"
Nobody is funded to promote an alternative view

Do you think this is a left-wing state with a left-wing govt?