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    Irish Ferries 2005 - Steena 2006?

    The knock on effects continue...

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0322/ferry.html

    Which shows even further why cheap foreign Labour is bad for Irish workers.

    We urgently need immigration control before we are all working for peanuts!
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    Of course, because immigrants are to blame for low cost airlines and high cost fuels. It's part of their cunning plan- methinks they're working in tandem with the Jewry.

    And it's fierce cold tonight- bloody immigrants, when will it end. If it's raining tomorrow I think I'll torch a refugee hostile. That'll show them!

    In case you think I'm being flippant, I assure you- it's the immigrants have turned you against me. They have no moral threshold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    Of course, because immigrants are to blame for low cost airlines and high cost fuels. It's part of their cunning plan- methinks they're working in tandem with the Jewry.

    And it's fierce cold tonight- bloody immigrants, when will it end. If it's raining tomorrow I think I'll torch a refugee hostile. That'll show them!

    In case you think I'm being flippant, I assure you- it's the immigrants have turned you against me. They have no moral threshold!
    Are they responsible for strawman arguments too, or is that the prerogative of those smug enough to feel personally unthreatened by the chill winds of unbridled globalisation or who are just political fashionistas - too shallow to be seen to care?
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    Look at it logically. Do employers in non or semi skilled areas want to keep labour costs down? Yes they do.....Is there in Eastern Europe a vast pool of cheap legally available labour with which to do so? Yes there is.


    Go figure as the Americans have it. The supply of cheap EE labour is keeping non/semi skilled pay levels down. No conspiracy theory, no right wing fantasy,just an inevitable result of the above exposition of the position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    In case you think I'm being flippant, I assure you- it's the immigrants have turned you against me. They have no moral threshold!
    Are they responsible for strawman arguments too, or is that the prerogative of those smug enough to feel personally unthreatened by the chill winds of unbridled globalisation or who are just political fashionistas - too shallow to be seen to care?
    What did I warn you?

    Seriously though, I do think there is much debate to be had on immigration protocol. But not in relation to Irish Ferries, and certainly not in relation to Stena Line.

    Employment legislation and corporate culture are the issues of substance here. Irish Ferries did not use Polish workers based in Ireland, they moved their base to Eastern Europe, Cyprus I think. Immigration had nothing to do with it. And as for a link between Stena Line and immigration- I can't connect the dots, perhaps you could help me.

    If you want to discuss the construction industry, declining wages there and lack of accessability to the indigenous workforce you might have a case. But when I see immigration linked to Stena Line cutting their service, I do think people are actually out looking for things to blame immigrants for as opposed to eliciting any sort of truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by commentator
    The supply of cheap EE labour is keeping non/semi skilled pay levels down. No conspiracy theory, no right wing fantasy,just an inevitable result of the above exposition of the position.
    Fine. But how does that connect to Stena Line axing one of their three daily crossings? This issue is not connected to immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    'He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind' (old proverb).
    For the sake of due recognition, you can attribute that to Hosea 8:7. At an estimate, I'd say 2,750 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    It's part of their cunning plan- methinks they're working in tandem with the Jewry.
    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    'He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind' (old proverb).
    For the sake of due recognition, you can attribute that to Hosea 8:7. At an estimate, I'd say 2,750 years old.
    Yes attribute it all to Hosea, a very ancient Jew, aha! The cunning dipsy-doodle plan of Jewry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    'He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind' (old proverb).
    For the sake of due recognition, you can attribute that to Hosea 8:7. At an estimate, I'd say 2,750 years old.
    merci ! I didn't know that.


    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod

    This issue is not connected to immigration
    it’s related to the bigger picture of both out sourcing and of displacement within the country.

    btw you could have said that first instead of resorting to dishonest strawman tactics. Nobody's blaming immigrants per se for anything IMO.

    ...........and talking of strawman tactics .............

    Quote Originally Posted by Pax
    Yes attribute it all to Hosea, a very ancient Jew, aha! The cunning dipsy-doodle plan of Jewry...


    so like I said here
    here's a least one of that ethnicty whom some of your stripe seem almost (dare I say) discriminatory towards .

    his report makes many of the points some of us have being making here e.g. the negative impact of unskilled immigration.
    Does not agreeing with a de facto open border policy necessarily make him into a raving anti-semite too or is this ,( your basic premise), a knowingly dishonest smear you reserve primarily for your own People?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    Quote Originally Posted by St Disibod
    This issue is not connected to immigration
    it’s related to the bigger picture of both out sourcing and of displacement within the country.
    I don't know if you should include immigration as a subset of outsourcing, they are quite different. Irish Ferries was an issue related to outsourcing- by relocating the company. Stenal Line is an issue related to industrial costs and competition. Neither are related, directly or indirectly, to immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by sackville
    btw you could have said that first instead of resorting to dishonest strawman tactics. Nobody's blaming immigrants per se for anything IMO.
    I don't know if hyperbole qualifies as dishonesty, but as to whether anyone is blaming immigrants:
    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa
    Which shows even further why cheap foreign Labour is bad for Irish workers.

    We urgently need immigration control before we are all working for peanuts!
    We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true.

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