Impact of the Construction Sector downturn on the Planning Bureaucracy

[MsAnneThrope]

Similarly, during periods of practically Full Employment in the State, what were Fas doing? Does anyone actually know for sure if their budgets were trimmed during full employment? What were they doing with all the money when someone could step off a plane from Eastern Europe and find a job same day?

Yes we all know about the junkets and salon bills which were a disgrace. But surely these were only a tiny % of overall budget. Where did the rest of the money go?

[Gimpanzee]

Yes, good piont the EotWawki... Enforcement has collapsed in this country in its entirety since 2001, and before. If there's one thing needed in a recession it's enforcement as many will regard consideration for the environment and one's neighbours as a greater burden than before.

Is there any appetite for enforcement though? I'd love to see it happen - but there will be massive pressue put on councillors if enforcement costs anything to the householder. The one thing that could be and should be done particularly in rural areas - get people to plant native trees in the big bald bare fields like their planning says the have to. A couple of euro for a bareroot tree. Within 2 or three decades the countryside could go from its current state of defacement to something even better than it was before the houses were built. A few trees will make the ugliest of houses blend in.

[atlantic]

So enlighten me you statist

Brilliant. Well done. You haven't a ******************************g clue.

[Morte]

Yes, good piont the EotWawki... Enforcement has collapsed in this country in its entirety since 2001, and before. If there's one thing needed in a recession it's enforcement as many will regard consideration for the environment and one's neighbours as a greater burden than before.

I wouldn't bet on it though, people will get very agitated at anything that is seen to harm or take jobs. The TK Maxx store in Waterford is a good example. It opened a few months ago and An Bord Pleanala have now gotten round to pulling them up on the fact that they're in an out of town park zoned for bulky goods. They're in clear breach of the law but a lot of people are only concerned by the potential loss of jobs and retail. The councillors involved seem to be included in this.

[bormotello]

Whether it gets so bad that planners have nothing to do, when all the policies necessary are enacted, when all the Local Area plans have been done (see DLR Dev Plan and Meath for a hint on how many are not being done despite a legal obligation to do so) and all the next round of development plans have been adopted, then we can talk about reductions

What will happen with Ireland if all policies and plans will be delayed by one or two years?
We don’t have it now, I don’t see as disaster if it will be implemented few years later

[alonso]

What will happen with Ireland if all policies and plans will be delayed by one or two years?
We don’t have it now, I don’t see as disaster if it will be implemented few years later

Yeh I know what you mean, but if we wait for another upturn the system will be strangled again - plus there's a legal duty on authorities to make plans in the specified time. Also there's more breathing space now - we know beyond doubt now that the legislative environment was a catastrophe and it needs to change. This is already happening in the DoE under Gormley but there's a lot to do - the DTA for example

Morte, Gimpanzee, you're spot on. Planning "gets in the way of jobs". That's the view from the parish pump, totally oblivious to the fact that a good chunk of the pain we are experiencing now (fuel poverty, poor public transport, lack of services etc etc) all stem from ad hoc planning and from leaving our environment in the hands of underqualified professionals and totally unqualified public reps.

Enforcement is something that's ok for other countries but Ireland is different

[alonso]

So enlighten me you statist

Enlighten yourself. Read this

[atlantic]

Never heard of it.

Enlighten yourself. Read this

[alonso]

i rest my case

[essexboy]

Yeh I know what you mean, but if we wait for another upturn the system will be strangled again - plus there's a legal duty on authorities to make plans in the specified time. Also there's more breathing space now - we know beyond doubt now that the legislative environment was a catastrophe and it needs to change. This is already happening in the DoE under Gormley but there's a lot to do - the DTA for example
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Morte, Gimpanzee, you're spot on. Planning "gets in the way of jobs". That's the view from the parish pump, totally oblivious to the fact that a good chunk of the pain we are experiencing now (fuel poverty, poor public transport, lack of services etc etc) all stem from ad hoc planning and from leaving our environment in the hands of underqualified professionals and totally unqualified public reps.
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Enforcement is something that's ok for other countries but Ireland is different

An English resident *****was given permission to build a large, prominent house near me, subject to nine conditions. He ignored them all and built what looks like a bungalow to the rear without permission.
I complained to the county council who sent him a letter; he then applied for retention which he received without any bother.
Why bother with planning rules when they are not enforced?
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