F.A.S in poland can anyone help

[yellowfish]

I have a question which i am hoping that some of our posters who may live or have spent time in poland may be able to help with.
first a bit of context. through my work i recently came into contact with a polish couple in their late fourties early fifties, they were new arivals. They had come here for a job which was gone when they arrived, They had no accomadation no money and could not recieve benefits, they also have no English . when i met them they had been sleeping rough for two nights and had not had a meal for at least one day, the only help on offer to them was a bus ticket to dublin and eventual repatriation to poland. They did not whant to take this route as they had used up their limeted recources getting here and had given up their accomadation in poland.
we spoke to variouse groups state and volluntary and came up blank because as many people will know their is a two year residency rule before such people can get benefits in ireland.
My question is this, whilst talking to different organisations i was told twice that F.A.S are advertising for workers on polish tv, I would like to know if anyone has seen or has good secondry information about these adverts, do they spell out the realities of the situation for workers coming here , are they advising people of the pitfalls.
If they are not or maybe worse if they are painting to rosey a picture then i believe that we have a responsabilaty towards those who find themselves in such a vunerable position. deose anyone know?

By the way we were able to feed and accomadate the couple concerned for three days, but then our management could no longer turn a blind eye.
and we had to put them back on the street, that was four days ago, we tried to explain they could come back for food but we have not seen them since, we hope they met some good people who were able to help but in reality their lack of english and abilaty to get accross their situation has left them extremely vulnerable.

[JCSkinner]

There is a Polish Cultural Centre on Manor Street. Give them a bell and see if someone within the Polish community here can assist that couple.
Sad as the case is, their fate is of their own making, not the responsibility of the Irish state.

[Carrier]

Apparently services for the homeless are being stretched by immigrants who find themselves in this situation. It's true though, FAS shouldn't be pretending the streets of Ireland are paved with gold.

[georgedillon]

This is a sad case. Apart from the human story involved, it points to a question that has troubled me for some time.

FAS (Foras Aiseanna Saothair ie. the Work Opportunity Authority) was founded to provide training and upskilling for Irish workers in Ireland.

In the past couple of years, this semi-state body appears to have taken on a function which is totally outside its brief, namely to go around Europe recruiting foreign workers to come to Ireland.

Who gave FAS authority to change its emphasis, especially at a time when there are large numbers of Irish people being marginalized from the labour market here? And how come this has all been done without any debate or oversight? Where were our 166 sloppy and lazy TDs?
GD

[yellowfish]

services for the homeless are not being streched by these people for the very reason that they are not allowed to offer support to people in this position. the only strech is the emotional one of having to refuse shelter and food to people so obviously in need.
i realy would like to steer clear of the debate about whever people should be able to move around europe for work. (i did just that by the way)
my concern is not with fas advertising outside of the state but more with the contents of the adverts, does anyone have an idea of the picture being painted by thes adverts, what type of worker are they aimed at? what skills, (including language) do they advise people are needed.
for all iknow they may be very well done- i simply dont know, but we have had posters from poland are their any still around?

[Carrier]

services for the homeless are not being streched by these people for the very reason that they are not allowed to offer support to people in this position

That's not true. Free meals for the homeless, for example, are given out daily to immigrants in Dublin - some of whom aren't actually homeless.

[yellowfish]

services for the homeless are not being streched by these people for the very reason that they are not allowed to offer support to people in this position

That's not true. Free meals for the homeless, for example, are given out daily to immigrants in Dublin - some of whom aren't actually homeless.

i would argue whether this was a strech- but i dont work in dublin, however although i cant talk about my job i hope you will take it as read that i have some knowladge of this area. people accesing homeless hostels will need to have access to benefits.
however i realy dont whant to get into a debate about this. as rumsfeld would say i know what i know and i know what i dont know- in this case i dont know about the contents of the fas adverts.

[sackville]

This is a sad case. Apart from the human story involved, it points to a question that has troubled me for some time.

FAS (Foras Aiseanna Saothair ie. the Work Opportunity Authority) was founded to provide training and upskilling for Irish workers in Ireland.

In the past couple of years, this semi-state body appears to have taken on a function which is totally outside its brief, namely to go around Europe recruiting foreign workers to come to Ireland.

Who gave FAS authority to change its emphasis, especially at a time when there are large numbers of Irish people being marginalized from the labour market here? And how come this has all been done without any debate or oversight? Where were our 166 sloppy and lazy TDs?
GD

I totally agree , and let’s not forget they recruit non-nationals here as well. I know of one of(the greatly reduced in numbers )Fas full-time training courses in which virtually two thirds of the places have gone to our new arrivals.
Most seem to have at least bare minimum requirement of numbers of aliens.

another point: we should also remember that many private Irish and non-Irish job agencies are also recruiting for here overseas. I remember reading a post from a Hungarian-born American in another forum who said he saw many of them advertising in Budapest Papers. We can have little doubt that the same is happen in the other NAS.

[DevilsAdvocate]

services for the homeless are not being streched by these people for the very reason that they are not allowed to offer support to people in this position

That's not true. Free meals for the homeless, for example, are given out daily to immigrants in Dublin - some of whom aren't actually homeless.

Dats roight, cumming over here and taking food and jobs.

My god, where would countries like the USA be today if they had done that in their past?

Jaysus, do you think its only Irishmen that have the right to emigrate and look for a better life.

[Zhirkov]

services for the homeless are not being streched by these people for the very reason that they are not allowed to offer support to people in this position

That's not true. Free meals for the homeless, for example, are given out daily to immigrants in Dublin - some of whom aren't actually homeless.

Dats roight, cumming over here and taking food and jobs.

My god, where would countries like the USA be today if they had done that in their past?

Jaysus, do you think its only Irishmen that have the right to emigrate and look for a better life.

Do you believe men have a right to screw a woman whether she wants to or not?