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It was similar "country policemen" who arrested Roger Casement in Kerry and delivered him up to be hanged.
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Originally Posted by georgedillon
eh, well he was a traitor who was conspiring with the Germans at a time when 200,000 Irishmen were fighting against them on the Western Front. What were they supposed to do? Let him go back to Germany and continue trying to raise a military unit from among UK POWs to fight against the Irish troops on the side of the Germans?
Breen was about to be fired on that's why.that's also the day a group of unelected, unappointed ultra-nationalists shot dead two middle-aged Catholic country policemen.
What evidence have you that they were racists? They were freedom fighters. British rule never asked for a mandate in this country, yet you don't seem to demand similar standards of them in 1916 and before and after. The rebels were not sectarian. Provide evidence to the contrary or retract that claim. They targeted no innocent civilians. The only civilian casualties were killed by the Brits, including Frank Sheehy-Skeffington, who played no part in the Rising, and was killed for admitting sympathising with it. The Brits also killed a young boy in cold blood after the Rising. Their reign of terror stands them ill in historical record.
The rioters are a tiny minority. Please don't overgeneralise.Just because we have a good economy doesn't mean our minds have been lifted from the mentality of a people of a post-colonial backwater, look at what happened on saturday
However, I see no harm in us remembering our founding-fathers and important events in our history. France and the US celebrate Bastille Day and the US War of Independence with military parades should why shouldn't we likewise commemorate our freedom fighters? Without 1916 we would still be a poor backwater in the UK.
ah yes, and the SAS at Loughall only fired because they were about to be fired on...Breen was about to be fired on that's why.that's also the day a group of unelected, unappointed ultra-nationalists shot dead two middle-aged Catholic country policemen.
Because its not in any way predictable that if you use firearms to ambush men armed with firearms, that the discharge of firearms with fatal consequences may occur...
What unionists were hanged for similar actions?
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Point me to a unionist who carried out an identical action and wasn't hanged. If you're referring to Larne and Howth importation of guns from Germany prior to WW1, I don't recall any nationalists being hanged.What unionists were hanged for similar actions?
Was Casement hanged for importing guns? No, he was hanged for his part in a rebellion that killed a thousand people, and for actually working with the German Army in Germany, moving about POW camps trying to set up an Irish Brigade to fight for the Germans. Which is different to what happened prior to outbreak of war in 1914 (treason in time of war is usually dealt with far more harshly than treason in peacetime)
Unionist treason and nationalist treason and never the twain shall meet.
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Let's review.Unionist treason and nationalist treason and never the twain shall meet.
1.) I point out that Casement was guilty of treason and conspiring with the enemy in time of war.
2.) You imply that a unionist would not have been hanged for the same offence.
3.) I pointed out that no unionist has committed the same offence and not been hanged, and in the case of importing guns from Germany, neither unionists nor nationalists were hanged for it.
4.) You just go back to implying that a unionist would not have been hanged for the same offence. You provide no context or argument.
Was there any point whatsoever in your throwing out the wild claim that if a unionist had gone to Germany and tried to recruit an Ulster Brigade to fight for the Germans against the British, and then gone back to Ireland to take part in an uprising that killed a thousand people, in the middle of World War One, that he wouldn't have been hanged? It seems like a bizarre and in all likelihood incorrect thing to claim.
Incidentally, William Joyce could arguably be described as a unionist - he had to flee to England because the IRA threatened to kill him for passing information to the Black and Tans. He was hanged for working for the enemy in time of war. Which makes your claim even more bizarre.
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Let's not. Read your history first.Let's review.
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I said earlier "Point me to a unionist who carried out an identical action and wasn't hanged. If you're referring to Larne and Howth importation of guns from Germany prior to WW1, I don't recall any nationalists being hanged. "Let's not. Read your history first.
Now you're implying that there was such a unionist. Do you at least want to tell me what book I can find this unionist in? Or what period of history? Or are you just bluffing?
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