LinkBack URL
About LinkBacksUhhh... how about the whatever day the 1937 Constitution was implemented? Pretty lame, I know, but not every holiday has to be remembering destruction and death.
Uhhh... how about the whatever day the 1937 Constitution was implemented? Pretty lame, I know, but not every holiday has to be remembering destruction and death.
"Somewhere out on that horizon, out beyond the neon lights/ I know there must be something better/ But there's nowhere else in sight/" - Joe Walsh, "In the City"
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Spelling mistakes aside, I thought myself the language was quite careful! You're of course entitled to disagree - I did not suggest forgetting anything or express an opinion regarding history. What I said was twofold. 1.) that it is a contentious issue and that it is dangerous to militarise the event; and 2.) that it is inappropriate for anyone to seek to politicise or take political advantage out of such an event - the reference was, I thought, quite obvious.Originally Posted by duff
It is interesting though that a portion of the small minority of people who class themselves as Republican (and by that I mean use the term as a self-referential descriptive as opposed to many people who might share broadly republican political perspectives) are so insecure in their beliefs that when people disagree with them they have a remarkable tendency towards violence - they would seem to be very insecure?
I don't support the idea of a military parade down O'Connell Street. For three reasons;
1. 1916 is a very decisive issue in Ireland today and it isn't something all of the Irish people can support and enjoy.
2. Due to the fact that they had no democratic mandate or anything like that, by celebrating it, it can be believed to give justification for people who believe a United Ireland should be achieved using violence in NI today and in the past and it can encourage these people
3. A military parade remains me too much of dictatorships celebrating their take over of power all over the world in the past.
However I do believe we should celebrate our Independence in some way, I think the 21st January 1919 would be far better. Due to the fact that it was the day the first Dail met for the first time and the day we date our parliament from and it is not a particularly decisive thing in our country today.
"Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."
5 signatures lads; cant see yiz getting all that many signing it. With reason to.
In recent years the Rising had been commemorated in the form of a civic ceremony. It seemed more apt. As Prof Michael Laffan said on Morning Ireland this morning, the Rising was just one event out of many that helped to form the State. Why is it for example that we do not celebrate the political and social advances that led to indepedence? I would agree with Laffan that is dangerous to glorify the military elements, and barely notice the other movements.I'm not too enamoured in general with the idea of grandiose state commemorations of this nature anyway but I'm just curious as to why you consider a military parade in particular to be inappropriate.
As a general point of view, I find political nationalism dangerous, divisive and base (e.g. I understand this as say I am Irish by reference to what I am not, or what is not Irish).
Cultural nationalism is for me something quite different (I am not a political scientist, so apologies if use of the terms is inaccurate) - I understand this as a positive articulation of culture, language, arts, music, social history, lived experience - I understand this as fluid and multiple - so, it is possible to be Irish, European, maybe even (and watch them have heart attacks!) British or German or Black, Chinese, Gay etc take your pick - a non-exclussivist identity.
That's probably slightly off topic, but I hope it answers your question!
It's been on for 45 minutes and already the topic has generated about 30 messages - it's not going to change the world, but it doesn't hurt either - the don't bother attitude is quite common these days though - interesting!
What positive reason is there for having a military parade?
Would a civic non-divisive ceremony not be more appropriate?
Who benefits?
Do all Republicans believe that they are right and that the opinion of others is an irrelevance, or is it just habit?
What about a petition to have the Proclamation fulfilled? Is that not the best way to celebrate it?
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
So Ian Paisley, the RUC and the sectarian NI state had nothing to do with the Troubles?
Banned temporarily by politics.co.uk (ie this site) so as not to "offend" the Brits during Mrs. Windsor's visit.
Still censored because I cannot start a thread!
Such an idea harks back to the militarised days of the Cold War and is not reflective of a modern, dynamic Ireland that needs to remember but also move away from its past. An alternative comemmoration would be far more desirable such as turning the GPO into a museum/memorial to the evnt and marking it annually with a small wreath laying ceremony to all victims on both sides of the wars for Irish liberation.
Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85
Or maybe the date of the declaration of the Republic in 1949.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Reply With Quote