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About LinkBacksI'd imagine Fianna Fail and the PDs are totallly opposed to it, in line with their opposition to Sinn Fein's "military" centenary celebrations.Originally Posted by ppjjobrien
I'd imagine Fianna Fail and the PDs are totallly opposed to it, in line with their opposition to Sinn Fein's "military" centenary celebrations.
So you are both opposed to those who want the parade, and to those who don't?Typical free stater attitude, "lets forget our history". Thats why they persecute and harass republicans, because we wont forget that our country is occupied.
what an excellent analogy. Seeing as how the Irish Defence Forces are the PDs private paramilitary army who believe they have a moral and legal right to kill their fellow citizens regardless of any democratic mandate, that analogy works just swell. Let's not think through what we're saying at all, let's just throw out emotive hyperbole and inaccurate analogies and then move on before anyone thinks too much on them
There are two variations of free stater, the ones who want it are proud of their little corrupt state. The ones who oppose are more than likely west brits, who are ashamed of 1916(while the free staters who want it, are trying to claim it as if it was fought for their free state), common phrases from that segment are "lets not offend anyone", "those dastardly republicans"...
The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show.
It is then we'll see the rising of the moon.
People really call you guys dastardly?
"Somewhere out on that horizon, out beyond the neon lights/ I know there must be something better/ But there's nowhere else in sight/" - Joe Walsh, "In the City"
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Reading Tim Pat Coogan's The IRA, I noticed how many terrorists he interviewed who saw the 1966 1916 memorial celebrations and felt that they had historical legitimacy on their side.
The opening section of the book is a case study of a friend of his in the IRA, who felt pulled towards violent republicanism because of such military displays. I'm not saying that the Troubles wouldn't have happened without the commemorations or anything silly like that, but the events may have been a contributive factor.
I don't see them as necessary or worthwhile, especially considering many people don't agree with the Rising's legitimacy. A memorial may well be appropriate, but I'd find something disquieting about the military commemorating 1916.
(Sorry if all that's incoherent; I'm tired, but can't sleep)
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Also ... 1916 was not the important turing point ... it was events 1916-1918 and the subsequent War of Independence. Pearse in particular was a very unsavoury character. I don't think that we've much in common with those of 1916 ...
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I really don't see how someone can read the Easter Proclamation and see any similarities with the modern-day Irish state. Why not use the military to parade commemorating a different event central to the state's founding?
"Somewhere out on that horizon, out beyond the neon lights/ I know there must be something better/ But there's nowhere else in sight/" - Joe Walsh, "In the City"
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Belive it or not its happened
The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show.
It is then we'll see the rising of the moon.
But which event could they choose? 1916 has been chosen because the ideal of it took in the entire nation, whereas to celebrate the Anglo-Irish War or the Treaty would be to celebrate partition.
Maybe we should hold off on the commemorations of total national sovereignty until we, y'know, have it.
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