" Could a little child cope with twenty more weeks in order to save two lives"?

[Christine Murray]

Thus speaks Breda O Brien in today's Irish Times Regarding this case:

Despite some awful dilemmas, abortion is not an option - The Irish Times - Sat, Mar 21, 2009

I apologise to Cyperian for bringing this to another thread but the link and comment by O Brien are buried in the original thread :
http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affai...municated.html

I am sure Ortega in Nicaragua asked himself the same question as a plethora of child rape cases emerge under the criminalisation of all abortion including ectopic pregnancies.

What absolutely gobsmacks me in this article and indeed in the delicacy with which the initial crime is avoided, evaded and covered up is this:

It is ok for a woman correspondent and opinion-maker in a national broadsheet to deny the crime of rape and consider that a child with a womb is a woman and thus a sexual being capable of bringing a pregnancy to twenty weeks (where one assumes a medical induction would take place to save the life of the mother!)

When in 2006 , a 16 year old Irish teenager was denied a medical induction in this country in order that she might deliver her baby and grieve his loss. Indeed the state appointed two sets of lawyers in the 'D' case one for the mother and one for the unborn child. Ireland is failing in its legal obligation to protect the privacy, the safety and the human rights of the born child, whilst Breda O Brien witters on about weighing scales and Roisín Ingle.

Not one word about the crime of rape.
Not one word about the right of the child to her childhood.

I do not think this Catholic woman gets that people are entitled to their privacy as human beings and do not become mothers because simply someone could not keep their hands off a child. I doubt that she will ever have to deal with the problem and
thus can afford to indulge the fear- these things generally only happen to poor people.

Breda O Brien is defending the indefensible and well she may feel nauseous as she lifts her ten year old daughter of a scales and works out the body weight of a small child with twins growing in her uterus.

FIA Nicaragua: Feminists under attack by fundamentalist forces

What an offensive and ignorant Newspaper the Irish Times has become under the delicate purple tutelage of Ms Geraldine Kennedy.

[Factorem]

<waits for the Catholic Church rant to commence>

[Murra]

That 9 year old child was physically incapable of carrying a child, thats why Doctors had to go ahead with the abortion. There is no medical or ethical or moral 'alternative' in this case.

And yes, this case is about child rape, and the awful awful consequences for a child (boy or girl) and their family.

Some of these journalists are only trying to muster up a bit of a to-do to boost their flagging careers.

[Christine Murray]

<waits for the Catholic Church rant to commence>

I would much prefer that you concentrate on the amorality of people who refuse
to countenance that the sexual abuse of minors can lead to immature pregnancies and
that the issues can be avoided by those too delicate to understand that this is a problem.

Personally I am interested in how FF managed the insupportable eight amendment to the Constitution in light
of the rights of the child. or you can focus on Breda O Brien's startling inability to understand anything outside
of her obviously limited experience of the real world. I would suggest that she visit the sexual trauma unit at
the Rotunda Hospital and make herself aware of the issues of rape and sex abuse.

[midlander12]

Never read the IT and particularly not their token Catholic, BOB, however I just read it there now & it's scary stuff. Particularly bringing her own child and her weight into it. Can't really think of any more to say, it left me speechless!

[Christine Murray]

Never read the IT and particularly not their token Catholic, BOB, however I just read it there now & it's scary stuff. Particularly bringing her own child and her weight into it. Can't really think of any more to say, it left me speechless!

She actually did that, She put her kid on a scales and compared the weight of a raped child carrying twins. That is sheer and utter indulgence and shameful in the light of the IT claiming to be the broadsheet of note. The issues were of rape and of protection, not of the careless self-indulgence of an opinion writer.

its ok to write crap in your diary, no-one else is going to read it but to use a newspaper to indulge in idiocy beggars belief. I note that the Telegraph occasionally hosts very conservative women opinionists , indeed one was glorifying abstinence quite recently but it was based on fact, on issue, on medico-legal context and well presented.

[Christine Murray]

to contextualise the issue a wee bit, without touching on such controversies as unaccompanied minors and slavery, one need only look at the fritzel case and wonder why it is so difficult for a national newspaper to approach the issue with a modicum of balance and awareness?

[Trampas]

Breda O Brien is defending the indefensible

She is. But she may well feel that she is being consistent, for in the world inhabited by her abortion is murder, always. Period. She could have avoided the issue but did not. Error of judgement.

[Dare to Dream]

I'm saying nothing. If I start, I just won't stop.

[cyberianpan]

The topics on this thread are already covered here:
Brazil: Raped 9 year, pregnant with twins, all involved in abortion excommunicated

cYp