Ganley and Fine Gael MEP in election row

[myk]

Welcome to the weird world of the Libertas devotees - where every lie told by Libertas is the truth and any effort to point out the many holes in Ganley's bucket are smears. And also where paranoia and fantasy run riot, right down to imagining that when someone replies to a b-itchy attack by Ganley, and it is reported, it is all some plot to undermine Ganley's embarrassingly twee little launch in front of a half empty hall.

Don't forget that Ganley's Libertas spent thousands on a poster campaign that attacked three individual politicians during the last Lisbon referendum (one of which was specifically targetted in her own constituency). Yet Ganley and Libertas are the victims of attack politics

Its amazing that he used the line about expecting to be smeared and attacked right after he smeared Jim Higgins in his speech at the weekend. His hypocrisey knows no bounds.

[myk]

I don't support Libertas. And the IT would not have taken that approach with the PDs, no matter had Mary Harney put a hex on someone publicly.

Now, am I paranoid also in saying you are NDS/MPH/Insider? I thought you promised you were gone from here?

The PDs love them or loathe them are a credible transparent party. Even as they are winding down they are much more credible than Libertas.

They have a published constitution, a membership and internal democracy. Libertas is a vehicle controlled totally by Ganley. There is no democracy or transparency with Libertas. So of course it should be subject to greater scrutiny than establish legitimate political parties.

[myk]

No, it's that they show favouritism to some parties, and portrays anyone who opposes Lisbon as borderline certifiable, to the point of obsessiveness.

actually the IT have given SF and Coir space to articulate their opposition to Lisbon on several occasions.

SF as an established Dail party aren't subject to this sort of probing by the IT or other Irish papers. But journalists in Ireland wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't subject new and shadowy organisations such as Coir and Libertas to probing about their intentions, their connections, their make up and their funding.

[myk]

They have showed a campaigning style of journalism, bordering on obsessiveness, about Libertas (if only they had shown similar initiative about the corruption in Fianna Fail).

Did you sleep through Bertie-gate, when FF accused the IT of doing exactly that?

And this is no accident. If they were of the 'yes' side, there wouldn't be a word against Ganley (and are you so gullible as to believe otherwise?)

how do you know? there is no comparable figure on the yes side.

There's an orchestrated hatchet-job by factoid and vague innuendo going on, and it's all because of which side of the campaign this man came down on. I don't know what the truth is about Ganley's past business dealings, but I've heard nothing yet that says he did something corrupt or illegal, all I've heard is wild conspiracies swirling around allegations that are never articulated.?)

the main beef with Ganley is not how he got his money. it is that he is using his wealth to finance campaigns against Lisbon. all the available evidence points to this, including his recent dealings with SIPO, and he has not adequately accounted for the financing of his campaign.

he himself has made bold claims about his past business dealings....that he is a major employer, that he climbed up the ranks from the mailroom etc etc it is Ganley who is trying to use his background to his advantage and therefore he is bringing scrutiny upon it.

[wexfordman]

Does anyone seriously believe that FF for example represents Irish people well or serves the Irish people? Would we not be better off voting for any alternative than FF.

So your argument for voting Liebertas is that they cant possibly be as bad as FF ?

I suppose you still think bringing low cost competitors like Poland into the EU was a good idea. Ask the former workers in Dell what they think of that.

Poland will hopefully gain as much out of membership as Ireland has and will.

[hiding behind a poster]

the european parliament is massive how many thousands work there my business park had gym, why not a bigger one with swimming pool.

Good point. He'll be giving out about the fact there's a canteen next. You know "unelected Brussels bureaucrats quaffing champagne and smoked salmon at the expense of the hard-pressed Irish taxpayer", (all delivered in that insufferably patronising "i'm going to bring this to the attention of the poor dumb Oirish" way of his) whereas the reality is probably a staff canteen that does three bog-standard main courses a day at a discount.

[mccafferty cat]

Looks like Ganley has started as he means to go on: picking a bun-fight with a long-serving and widely respected politician........about a swimming pool.

Serious political party, ey!

[CookieMonster]

Aye, it's all doomed, DOOMED! It'll crash and burn... BURN!

Honest it will, Governor. Then we can all go back to the "same old, same old" politics which have worked so well for us in the last few months... er...

[myk]

Aye, it's all doomed, DOOMED! It'll crash and burn... BURN!

Honest it will, Governor. Then we can all go back to the "same old, same old" politics which have worked so well for us in the last few months... er...

From what I can descipher from your post, you are suggesting that we vote for Libertas out of desperation?

Care to offer any positive reasons to vote for them?

[hiding behind a poster]

From what I can descipher from your post, you are suggesting that we vote for Libertas out of desperation?

Care to offer any positive reasons to vote for them?

Well apparently they're going to bring accountability, transparency and democracy to the EU. But they won't tell anyone WHAT they'll do, HOW they'll do it, or WHO pays for their campaign.

Very accountable, transparent and democratic.