Ganley and Fine Gael MEP in election row

[marmurr1916]

There's not a 7 month delay, I understand that this is the date they always set since last year, and even if there is a mistake on the dates, it's only two weeks. If Ahern said that he'd supply such and such answers by such and such a date, I'd not give a toss, so long as the answers arrived. In Ahern's case they didn't, and he delayed and delayed for 18 months, and then submitted clear lies for answers. That's when I spoke against Ahern. In this case, if the answers aren't forthcoming or are made up, then of course they should be attacked for it (although I'd suggest that there would be no need to, they could be written off as a serious political force from that point.), but it's still two weeks away so I don't see what the hoo-hah is about, even if their date is wrong. So yes, of course openness and accountability should apply, but so too should reasonably fair play...

Fair play would be that they supplied SIPO with the information requested within a month maximum.

If this country was serious about regulating the funding of political parties, then SIPO would have passed their files on Libertas to the DPP by now.

It is utterly ridiculous that an individual or a political movement can delay supplying evidence that they've complied with the law for this long without penalty.

[toxic avenger]

Fair play would be that they supplied SIPO with the information requested within a month maximum.

If this country was serious about regulating the funding of political parties, then SIPO would have passed their files on Libertas to the DPP by now.

It is utterly ridiculous that an individual or a political movement can delay supplying evidence that they've complied with the law for this long without penalty.

If they're saying they've always believed the deadline to be March 31st (rightly or wrongly) then what's the need to burn them at the stake only a few days prior to that? Isn't talk of the DPP a bit hysterical? Why not wait the two weeks? If they don't supply details, or the details are misleading, then you can pile the tinder on then. Why not just be... patient?...

[marmurr1916]

If they're saying they've always believed the deadline to be March 31st (rightly or wrongly) then what's the need to burn them at the stake only a few days prior to that? Isn't talk of the DPP a bit hysterical? Why not wait the two weeks? If they don't supply details, or the details are misleading, then you can pile the tinder on then. Why not just be... patient?...

Well if I believe that I can drive at 220km/h on the motorway will I be let off my speeding fine and the penalty points?

Libertas, along with other third parties participating in the last referendum campaign, were informed by SIPO of the rules in advance of the campaign proper starting.

If Libertas were unable to comprehend these rules, perhaps they should have consulted a lawyer?

I think 7 months demonstrates ample patience on the part of SIPO, too much patience. Their remit is to enforce the funding rules for political parties and groups, not to allow them to set their own deadlines.

Somehow, I don't think people would have been as patient with Bertie Ahern, nor would they have been so saguine if Ahern had decided that information that he had to supply to prove that he was complying with the law was delayed for 7 months until a deadline of his own choosing had been reached.

[toxic avenger]

Well if I believe that I can drive at 220km/h on the motorway will I be let off my speeding fine and the penalty points?

Libertas, along with other third parties participating in the last referendum campaign, were informed by SIPO of the rules in advance of the campaign proper starting.

If Libertas were unable to comprehend these rules, perhaps they should have consulted a lawyer?

I think 7 months demonstrates ample patience on the part of SIPO, too much patience. Their remit is to enforce the funding rules for political parties and groups, not to allow them to set their own deadlines.

Somehow, I don't think people would have been as patient with Bertie Ahern, nor would they have been so saguine if Ahern had decided that information that he had to supply to prove that he was complying with the law was delayed for 7 months until a deadline of his own choosing had been reached.

On the contrary, I waited for Ahern's evidence, for a number of years, and never said a word. It was only when I read what his evidence actually was that I said a thing against it. It's two weeks. We could still be on this thread arguing by the time it has passed. I don't se the burning issue, why not just hold fire until then? If they haven't complied by then, I'll be as critical of them as anyone.

[marmurr1916]

On the contrary, I waited for Ahern's evidence, for a number of years, and never said a word. It was only when I read what his evidence actually was that I said a thing against it. It's two weeks. We could still be on this thread arguing by the time it has passed. I don't se the burning issue, why not just hold fire until then? If they haven't complied by then, I'll be as critical of them as anyone.

The issue, for now, is that they're behaving in an arrogant, high-handed manner which is far from the openness, transparency and accountability they demand of others.

This arrogance is not just unpalatable, but demonstrates that their claims to be different from the business as usual of other political parties is actually a nonsense.

What the issue might be in two weeks is another matter...

[OMahonyMunster]

Noticeable that the Irish Times go straight for the 'launch marred' headline, rather than a straight report of the launch itself. The paper of record has become a strange beast under Miss Kennedy...

Well instead of giving a list of actual policies , a manifesto or anything substantive or new Ganley goes on the huint for "swimmer Jim".
You can write a letter to the Irish Times but your continuous whining about that paper here tends to show you for the little right wing loner that your posts seem to indicate you are. Go out see a movie.

[OMahonyMunster]

On the contrary, I waited for Ahern's evidence, for a number of years, and never said a word. It was only when I read what his evidence actually was that I said a thing against it. It's two weeks. We could still be on this thread arguing by the time it has passed. I don't se the burning issue, why not just hold fire until then? If they haven't complied by then, I'll be as critical of them as anyone.

This one I am making and you will be held to it Toxic. If Libertas have not satisfactorily complied with SIPO in 2 weeks you will stop posting for them
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[toxic avenger]

Well instead of giving a list of actual policies , a manifesto or anything substantive or new Ganley goes on the huint for "swimmer Jim".
You can write a letter to the Irish Times but your continuous whining about that paper here tends to show you for the little right wing loner that your posts seem to indicate you are. Go out see a movie.

I was forced to see Marley and Me by the girlfriend yesterday, that's enough cinemastic treats, thanks. As to the 'right wing loner' bit, I'm certainly a loner, but the right-wing bit you'll have to enlighten me on. Which poster were you in your previous incarnation by the way?

[toxic avenger]

This one I am making and you will be held to it Toxic. If Libertas have not satisfactorily complied with SIPO in 2 weeks you will stop posting for them
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I have NEVER posted for them, as I repeat ad nauseam. I think they're probably right-wing, are certainly Euro-federalists, and are probably anti-unions and the like. I have said repeatedly that I think the pan-European thing is hubris, that I think it can't work, and that they'll be given a hiding in Britain in particular. Now which part of all that screams 'Libertas poster' to you? It seems that not liking smears against someone now translates into slavish support for that person in some minds here. Seriously are you PK, KevBar, or anticoalition, which is it?

[OMahonyMunster]

Dear God in heaven. Your paranoia is unbelievable. Are you so gullible you believe that Ganley didn't deliberately provoke the row??? Do you have the first idea how politicians (and Ganley is a politician) work? If they want to get coverage for something they provoke a row and bingo, they get coverage through the row. Your paranoia about the Times is comic. They did what any journalist anywhere would do - they covered a row. However in the weird world of Ganleyites (and don't give us that crap about how you are not a Ganley supporter. You are almost as fanatical in defending him from the every imagined slight as CM and D Cochrane) merely doing standard media reportage is a hatchet job.

Well spotted Tommy
Toxic is a right little Libertas tapper when he wants to be
and you will ote while the Cochrane and the Cookie are busy Libertasing toxic is here plugging away.

The same goes for Bobert I will search a thread for a post of his from last april it needs to go in here