World Migration Figures

[MichaelHennigan]

FutureTaoiseach's race litmus test is to have "affinity to issues like" a United Ireland.

Bogwarrior would prefer a Muslim as a neighbour than...a "Free State collaborator."

A meeting of minds at the extremes?

Can I innocently ask, what is a "Free State collaborator"?

[FutureTaoiseach]

But surely the children and grandchildren of these Poles will grow up with the same characteristics and even accents, as the Irish kids. After a generation or two, they'll be totally assimilated. My ancestors were Scots planters, and protestant. Over the generations, and through time, we have come to the position where the family tree has produced the perfect, little Irishman.
I'd rather a Pole or Muslim as a neighbour than an Ulster Loyalist or Free State collaborator.

How do you know your ancestors were Scots planters?

[Bogwarrior]

But surely the children and grandchildren of these Poles will grow up with the same characteristics and even accents, as the Irish kids. After a generation or two, they'll be totally assimilated. My ancestors were Scots planters, and protestant. Over the generations, and through time, we have come to the position where the family tree has produced the perfect, little Irishman.
I'd rather a Pole or Muslim as a neighbour than an Ulster Loyalist or Free State collaborator.

How do you know your ancestors were Scots planters?

My father traced the tree back. My Great Grandmother on my mothers side, became Catholic, after being forced (by her brother armed with a shotgun) to choose between the Catholic boyfriend and the family. This was around the early 1900s.

[JCSkinner]

Here are the top 15 recipients of immigrants in the world, and their respective percentage in the host nation.



United Arab Emirates 73% of population are immigrants.
Kuwait 57.9%
Jordan 39.6%
Israel 37.4%
Singapore 33.6%
Oman 26.9%
Estonia 26.2%
Saudi Arabia 25.8
Latvia 25.3%
Switzerland 25.1%
Australia 24.6%
New Zealand 22.5%
Gabon 20.3%
Canada 18.9%
Kazakhstan 18.7%
Only one of these countries is Western European, yet they make the biggest noise over immigration. Half the receiving countries are Muslim. The United Arab Emirates, which is overwhelminly Muslim receives almost 10 times as many immigrants per capita, than Ireland. Are we overreacting a bit to our own immigrant figures?

These are fairly selective stats. The 'immigrants' in places like the Baltic states and Kazakhstan are largely ethnics from within Russia returning to their cultural place of origin.
In relation to NZ, Oz and Canada, I think it could be fairly argued that in fact well over 90% of the population are the result of immigration. I query the methodology here - what are these figures actually measuring?
Is it the amount of immigrants in the past year, decade, living memory, or ever? Or something else?
Clearly immigrants of ethnic similarity to host population ARE being counted to pump up some of the numbers. If an Irish person born to Irish parents in Britain came to live in Ireland on a British passport, they'd count as an immigrant according to these figures, as that appears to be exeactly what they're measuring in places like Estonia.

[FutureTaoiseach]

But surely the children and grandchildren of these Poles will grow up with the same characteristics and even accents, as the Irish kids. After a generation or two, they'll be totally assimilated. My ancestors were Scots planters, and protestant. Over the generations, and through time, we have come to the position where the family tree has produced the perfect, little Irishman.
I'd rather a Pole or Muslim as a neighbour than an Ulster Loyalist or Free State collaborator.

How do you know your ancestors were Scots planters?

My father traced the tree back. My Great Grandmother on my mothers side, became Catholic, after being forced (by her brother armed with a shotgun) to choose between the Catholic boyfriend and the family. This was around the early 1900s.

And what about your father and his ancestors? Were they Scots planters?

[stringjack]

Clearly immigrants of ethnic similarity to host population ARE being counted to pump up some of the numbers. If an Irish person born to Irish parents in Britain came to live in Ireland on a British passport, they'd count as an immigrant according to these figures, as that appears to be exeactly what they're measuring in places like Estonia.

You need to be careful with that criticism; one might equally object to any methodology you suggest that if only some immigrants count for your purposes you're being just as selective and manipulating the data to produce a conclusion to which you're already committed.

[sackville]

Here are the top 15 recipients of immigrants in the world, and their respective percentage in the host nation.



United Arab Emirates 73% of population are immigrants.
Kuwait 57.9%
Jordan 39.6%
Israel 37.4%
Singapore 33.6%
Oman 26.9%
Estonia 26.2%
Saudi Arabia 25.8
Latvia 25.3%
Switzerland 25.1%
24.6%
New Zealand 22.5%Australia
Gabon 20.3%
Canada 18.9%
Kazakhstan 18.7%
Only one of these countries is Western European, yet they make the biggest noise over immigration. Half the receiving countries are Muslim. The United Arab Emirates, which is overwhelminly Muslim receives almost 10 times as many immigrants per capita, than Ireland. Are we overreacting a bit to our own immigrant figures?

well the UAE and Kuwait have masses of 'Guestworkers' who are their skivvies with Jordan it also certainly displaced Palestinians.

Israel it is Jewish immigration. Singapore has no single ethnic identity is just an economy (the world's biggest open prision- not nice place )
In the Baltic states it is almost certainly Ethnic Russians etc who were flooded in during the ussr days. Most others are spacious new world countries which like Canada, Australia and New Zealand which also have strict points systems.
In the others how much is ethnically dissimilar to the native population.
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just more figures taken out of context to sell a pig in a bag.

[MichaelHennigan]

Singapore has no single ethnic identity is just an economy (the world's biggest open prision- not nice place )

Maybe North Korea should win that prize?

Have you been in Singapore?

Its dominant ethnic identity is Chinese and that was the factor in its breakaway from Malaysia.

[JCSkinner]

Clearly immigrants of ethnic similarity to host population ARE being counted to pump up some of the numbers. If an Irish person born to Irish parents in Britain came to live in Ireland on a British passport, they'd count as an immigrant according to these figures, as that appears to be exeactly what they're measuring in places like Estonia.

You need to be careful with that criticism; one might equally object to any methodology you suggest that if only some immigrants count for your purposes you're being just as selective and manipulating the data to produce a conclusion to which you're already committed.

But I didn't suggest any methodology, and am not very interested in such headcounts no matter how they are conducted. I am merely pointing out some of the potentially misleading aspects of this methodology.

[stringjack]

But I didn't suggest any methodology, and am not very interested in such headcounts no matter how they are conducted. I am merely pointing out some of the potentially misleading aspects of this methodology.

And my point was that any alternative methodology would be open to similar criticism. Incidentally, if you're not interested in such headcounts, what headcounts do you find interesting?