World Migration Figures

[MichaelHennigan]

Most if not all the Gulf countries have restrictive policies regarding permanent residence and a foreign worker cannot buy property.

When work is finished, you head back home.

The figures for Latvia I would suspect are Russians who pre-1990 would not have considered themselves migrants.

Jordan considers Palestinian refugees from 1948 onwards as migrants.

Isreal absorbed about 700,000 Russians since 1990 to keep a positive ethnic balance.

Australia has a restrictive immigration policy - again with a goal biassed towards the predominant ethnic group.

Singapore - majority ethnic Chinese - also is not liberal as regards permanent residence because size wise, it is a relatively small island. Many of the migrants would be Malaysian.

[Nils]

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I did search the CSO site a bit for more modern ones, without success. Although I'd guess more modern ones are available on it somewhere.

If anybody wants to locate more recent figures and post, then please do so by all means. However, I doubt the % breakdowns have changed all that much in 4 years. The EU quota will presumably have gone up even more due to englargment.

It would be interesting to see what the 'rest of the world' figure is now alright. As you say: many of those previously in this category are from Eastern European countries now in the EU.

[Bogwarrior]

If you don't trust them, maybe you'd let me know what are the top 15. Are you suggesting there are no cultural differences between say the Kuwaitis and Saudis and it's foreign workforce?

You never pointed out the source of the figures. Without knowing the source, it would be foolish to trust them. (edit: Now I see you've added the source.)

But the immigration patterns are not broken down. And since they are not broken down, the figures can be used equally by the anti and pro camps. It is the context that matters most.


Regards...jmcc

U.N figures.

[MichaelHennigan]

There are OECD migration figures here:

http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusiness ... 0892.shtml


From an EU population report:

Largest declines in most of the new Member States

In 2004 the population is estimated to have decreased in seven Member States (the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia).

By 2025 the population will decrease in another six; Italy (from 2013), Germany and Slovenia (both 2014), Portugal (2018), Greece (2020) and Spain (2022). By 2050, twenty Member States are expected to register a decline in their population; the previous thirteen plus Finland (from 2028), Austria (2029), Denmark (2032), the Netherlands (2036), Belgium (2037), the United Kingdom (2040) and France (2042).

The population will still be increasing in Ireland, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Malta and Sweden.

Between 2004 and 2050, the largest declines are expected to be observed in most of the new Member States: Latvia (-19.2%), Estonia (-16.6%), Lithuania (-16.4%), the Czech Republic (-12.9%), Hungary and Slovakia (both -11.9%), and Poland (-11.8%).

Over the whole period, the strongest increases will be recorded in Luxembourg (+42.3%), Ireland (+36.0%), Cyprus (+33.5%) and Malta (+27.1%).

In absolute terms the largest population decreases are expected in Germany (-7.9 million), followed by Italy (-5.2 million) and Poland (-4.5 million), while the highest rises are expected in France (+5.8 million), the United Kingdom (+4.7 million) and Ireland (+1.5 million).

[FutureTaoiseach]

Only one of these countries is Western European, yet they make the biggest noise over immigration. Half the receiving countries are Muslim. The United Arab Emirates, which is overwhelminly Muslim receives almost 10 times as many immigrants per capita, than Ireland. Are we overreacting a bit to our own immigrant figures?

Of course in the Arab world, including the UAE, power is concentrating in a dictatorial or monarchical elite, and as such people don't fear foreigners coming to power there as there are no elections or if there are the system stays the same.

Anyway, the Arab world tends to consider itself as a single ethnic group divided by many countries and dynasties, and as such I doubt Saudi/Qatari/UAE citizens would mind Arab immigration into their states as much as they are far more monoethnic than Europe.

[Bogwarrior]

FT. Apart from the language, what are the cultural differences between a Catholic Pole and a Catholic Irishman?
Wasn't one of those who achieved your freedom, Markiewitz, a Pole?

[FutureTaoiseach]

FT. Apart from the language, what are the cultural differences between a Catholic Pole and a Catholic Irishman?
Wasn't one of those who achieved your freedom, Markiewitz, a Pole?

No. She only had that name through marriage to a Polish count (Countess Marckievicz).

I am concerned that they may put loyalty to their ethnic group before loyalty to the nation. Maybe I am wrong. I have nothing against the Poles. I am just worried because the descendents of foreigners - and foreigners themselves - are hardly going to have the same affinity to issues like a UI when they can't say their ancestors suffered under British rule in the past.

[Bogwarrior]

FT. Apart from the language, what are the cultural differences between a Catholic Pole and a Catholic Irishman?
Wasn't one of those who achieved your freedom, Markiewitz, a Pole?

No. She only had that name through marriage to a Polish count (Countess Marckievicz).

I am concerned that they may put loyalty to their ethnic group before loyalty to the nation. Maybe I am wrong. I have nothing against the Poles. I am just worried because the descendents of foreigners - and foreigners themselves - are hardly going to have the same affinity to issues like a UI when they can't say their ancestors suffered under British rule in the past.

The same could be applied to Irish Protestants.

[FutureTaoiseach]

FT. Apart from the language, what are the cultural differences between a Catholic Pole and a Catholic Irishman?
Wasn't one of those who achieved your freedom, Markiewitz, a Pole?

No. She only had that name through marriage to a Polish count (Countess Marckievicz).

I am concerned that they may put loyalty to their ethnic group before loyalty to the nation. Maybe I am wrong. I have nothing against the Poles. I am just worried because the descendents of foreigners - and foreigners themselves - are hardly going to have the same affinity to issues like a UI when they can't say their ancestors suffered under British rule in the past.

The same could be applied to Irish Protestants.

Some of those Protestants are actually descended from natives forced to convert to keep their lands though. William Smith O'Brien in the 19th being an example.

[Bogwarrior]

But surely the children and grandchildren of these Poles will grow up with the same characteristics and even accents, as the Irish kids. After a generation or two, they'll be totally assimilated. My ancestors were Scots planters, and protestant. Over the generations, and through time, we have come to the position where the family tree has produced the perfect, little Irishman.
I'd rather a Pole or Muslim as a neighbour than an Ulster Loyalist or Free State collaborator.