Will any Irish papers print the Muhammed cartoons?

[Bogwarrior]

Just because Christians don't get upset when ....

is a million miles over the top.

Yes. Ask Theo van gogh (if you could) how 'upset' Muslims get.

The first thing to go if Muslims got into power here would be individualism, civil liberties, gay rights, equality etc that have evolved here slowly and steadily since the Age of Enlightenment while the Mid East stagnates. Nothing to do with imperialism or any of that crap.

It makes sense that the first battle would be along those lines in the modern era. It's a natural fault line.

Van Gogh was killed by an extremist. Not all Muslims are extremists. Likewise there are Christian extremists. I remember John Lennon making an inoffensive remark, about the Beatles being as big as Jesus. He received death threats from Christian extremist. I'm sure millions of Muslims watched that wacky priest, pushing the Olympic runner off the road, and thought simplisticly like you, that "We better keep them Christian nuts from ruling us"

[cain1798]

Although it doesn't get much attention there is a virulent and highly successful campaign against free speech and freedom of expression being waged here.

In the US we have innumerable examples of anti-war or anti-government messages being suppressed.

In Britain the recent defeat of the incitement to religious hatred legislation was a rare victory for free speech.

Loathsome a creature though he might be the leader of the BNP is currently on trial because of statements he made that, hateful as they are, I believe he has the right to make.

And in Denmark a newspaper has got bomb threats for publishing a cartoon whose republication in France has seen a major newspaper editor fired.

The right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression is a cornerstone of republicanism, both here and elsewhere. For Irish republicans, used to state and private censorship, it should be doubly anathema.

[morryah]

Van Gogh was killed by an extremist. Not all Muslims are extremists. Likewise there are Christian extremists. I remember John Lennon making an inoffensive remark, about the Beatles being as big as Jesus. He received death threats from Christian extremist. I'm sure millions of Muslims watched that wacky priest, pushing the Olympic runner off the road, and thought simplisticly like you, that "We better keep them Christian nuts from ruling us"

You don't think we could pair off our versus their extremists and they'd have a bit of a surplus?

Are you also forgetting that their societal laws are tied into religious 'rules' written back in the dark ages. Religious mania is tied inextricably into their views and way of life.

[Janis]

I am sure these cartoons are every bit as brave and humourous as the Punch cartoons depicting ape-like Irishmen used to be.

[newFF]

Although it doesn't get much attention there is a virulent and highly successful campaign against free speech and freedom of expression being waged here.

In the US we have innumerable examples of anti-war or anti-government messages being suppressed.

In Britain the recent defeat of the incitement to religious hatred legislation was a rare victory for free speech.

Loathsome a creature though he might be the leader of the BNP is currently on trial because of statements he made that, hateful as they are, I believe he has the right to make.

And in Denmark a newspaper has got bomb threats for publishing a cartoon whose republication in France has seen a major newspaper editor fired.

The right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression is a cornerstone of republicanism, both here and elsewhere. For Irish republicans, used to state and private censorship, it should be doubly anathema.

Jaysus Cain.....I agree with you.

[morryah]

Although it doesn't get much attention there is a virulent and highly successful campaign against free speech and freedom of expression being waged here.

The right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression is a cornerstone of republicanism, both here and elsewhere. For Irish republicans, used to state and private censorship, it should be doubly anathema.

Jaysus Cain.....I agree with you.

Jaysus, what else were we talking about but free speech.

[newFF]

Van Gogh was killed by an extremist. Not all Muslims are extremists. Likewise there are Christian extremists. I remember John Lennon making an inoffensive remark, about the Beatles being as big as Jesus. He received death threats from Christian extremist. I'm sure millions of Muslims watched that wacky priest, pushing the Olympic runner off the road, and thought simplisticly like you, that "We better keep them Christian nuts from ruling us"

You don't think we could pair off our versus their extremists and they'd have a bit of a surplus?

Are you also forgetting that their societal laws are tied into religious 'rules' written back in the dark ages. Religious mania is tied inextricably into their views and way of life.

One person was threatened by an extremist Christian group.

In this case, 4 nations are eging warned that their citizens will be in danger if they do not apologise within 10 hours. ...and this by an armed group standing in front of an EU office. An armed group linked to a ruling party quite happy to receive hundreds of millions in aid from the EU.

[morryah]

Van Gogh was killed by an extremist. Not all Muslims are extremists. Likewise there are Christian extremists. I remember John Lennon making an inoffensive remark, about the Beatles being as big as Jesus. He received death threats from Christian extremist. I'm sure millions of Muslims watched that wacky priest, pushing the Olympic runner off the road, and thought simplisticly like you, that "We better keep them Christian nuts from ruling us"

You don't think we could pair off our versus their extremists and they'd have a bit of a surplus?

Are you also forgetting that their societal laws are tied into religious 'rules' written back in the dark ages. Religious mania is tied inextricably into their views and way of life.

One person was threatened by an extremist Christian group.

In this case, 4 nations are eging warned that their citizens will be in danger if they do not apologise within 10 hours. ...and this by an armed group standing in front of an EU office. An armed group linked to a ruling party quite happy to receive hundreds of millions in aid from the EU.

I had to read that a few times before I realised you were supporting me.

Right on.

[Bogwarrior]

There is no such thing as "free speech". Try posting a photo of aborted foetuses here, or an Anti GFA rant in APRN, or cartoons mocking dead Hunger Srikers in the Sun, and see the reaction. The cartoon artist was playing with fire, and must've known there'd be an outcry. Imagine a cartoon showing Christ flying an Apache helicopter, strafing Iraqis, being published in the Muslim World. It would rightly be seen as inflammatory.

[morryah]

There is no such thing as "free speech". Try posting a photo of aborted foetuses here, or an Anti GFA rant in APRN, or cartoons mocking dead Hunger Srikers in the Sun, and see the reaction. The cartoon artist was playing with fire, and must've known there'd be an outcry. Imagine a cartoon showing Christ flying an Apache helicopter, strafing Iraqis, being published in the Muslim World. It would rightly be seen as inflammatory.

Again and again you miss the point. Of course it's inflammatory. Most arguments are reactionary. It's the reaction to it that we're talking about.

Here you're disagreed with, ignored, told to shut up, protested against, brought onto Q&A etc. etc.

You don't physically theaten the nations' citizens. You don't issue fatwas. You don't have mainstream leading religious and social figures saying it's acceptable to slice their throats.