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    Irish prisoners serve longer ‘as British citizens’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Buckley
    IRISH prisoners in British jails serve longer sentences than other foreigners because they are classed as British citizens.

    Her Majesty’s Prison Service refuses to recognise Irish inmates as foreign nationals, which means they cannot benefit from an early release scheme allowed to other non-British citizens.
    Get on the phone Micheál !!

    Source: Irish prisoners serve longer ?as British citizens? | Irish Examiner


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    Do the crime, do the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nem View Post
    Do the crime, do the time.
    Agreed. But read the thread title again. A "foreigner" who does the same crime as someone from the republic gets to serve less time on the basis that the latter is British.

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    After reading up about this I think Dermot Ahern asked for dispensation concerning this back in 2006. This was after the foreign prisoners controversy in GB. Prisoners were to be deported immediately after serving their sentence. I believe the Irish Government asked if Ireland could remain in the old system, meaning restrictions on parole but no automatic deportation. This is as far as I can make out from the legalise at dfa.ie - I could be wrong...
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    Why should British or even Irish prisoners serve longer sentances in the first place?

    Surely everyone should serve the same time for the crimes they commit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefish View Post
    Why should British or even Irish prisoners serve longer sentances in the first place?

    Surely everyone should serve the same time for the crimes they commit!

    I think it's Coz it's cheaper to release them early for deportation than it is to keep them locked up.
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    We Irish are not Brits

    I read that the Brits are denying Irishmen and Irishwomen recognition as foreign nationals when incarcerated in the belly of the beast.

    Apparantly a Corkonian was denied his right to earlier release from gaol in England as a foreign national because the prison authorities in Britain classified Irish people as British Subjects.

    Furthermore he was not allowed repatriation, instead having to remain in a foreign country. Having returned to his family anyway, the Brits are seeking to secure his rendition to England.

    What a disgusting turn of events.
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    Fuking hell.....from an Empire to an outpost in a few short decades, and they still have notions.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risteard View Post
    I read that the Brits are denying Irishmen and Irishwomen recognition as foreign nationals when incarcerated in the belly of the beast.

    Apparantly a Corkonian was denied his right to earlier release from gaol in England as a foreign national because the prison authorities in Britain classified Irish people as British Subjects.

    Furthermore he was not allowed repatriation, instead having to remain in a foreign country. Having returned to his family anyway, the Brits are seeking to secure his rendition to England.

    What a disgusting turn of events.

    No link?

    Hard to comment on 3rd hand news, but this almost certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with Britain believing Irish people to be "British Subjects" and everything to do with the common travel area. The CTA would make no sense whatsoever if Irish people in Britain were seen as distinct from the natives.

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    Maybe they should keep some of them locked up!

    A convicted rapist who has gone on the run is now the prime suspect for an unsolved murder, police have revealed. Peter McDonagh, 44, was living in a hostel 'under supervision' following his release from jail but disappeared two weeks ago. Described as a 'danger to women,' by police, McDonagh has an appalling record of violence. Detectives also believe he poses a greater threat to the public because he has left his medication behind. McDonagh is of Irish descent and police admit they have no idea where he is. If found he will be sent back to jail for breaking the terms of his licence. 'He is classified as a high risk offender,' said Mr Taylor.


    McDonagh has a chilling criminal record
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