Cowen's Running mate has assets frozen by High Court

[spalpeen]

"When the Boys had Money
they thought they were Men,
Now they've no Money
and they're Boys again".

[crocked]

Greed is a human condition, not a political idology!

Power attracts greed! regardless of who or what holds it!

So because he was a member of Fianna Fail does this make the party corrupt? Because he was Brian Cowen's running mate (along with two others) does this make the Taoiseach corrupt also? The answer to both is again absolutely not!!!

Time to calm down and give over with the conspiracy theories lads!

but would it be surprising to find out that clowen knew about it???

[Effin Effer!!!]

but would it be surprising to find out that clowen knew about it???

To answer your question directly, yes it would be very surprising!

Killally got up at one Fianna Fail meeting after another and swore blind that he was innocent of everything! And I know for a fact that he gave the exact same line to Cowen!

[meriwether2]

Greed is a human condition, not a political idology!

Power attracts greed! regardless of who or what holds it!

Fine Gael held power with Labour and Democratic Left during the rainbow coalition during a short period of just over two years. This brief period of power resulted in the corrupting of a Fine Gael Minister, Michael Lowry. Did this mean that either the Fine Gael party or his friend John Bruton were corrupt also? Absolutely not!!!

When Ger Killally (then 23) ran on the Fianna Fail ticket in the 1997 General Election he had been democratically selected at convention. Cowen didn't choose him, he was simply considered a young fresh candidate. When he put his name forward again in 2002 no-one stood against him at convention. During this time he established an auctioneering business and unfortunately greed got the better of him. But his greed is not related to his political career only his business.

So because he was a member of Fianna Fail does this make the party corrupt? Because he was Brian Cowen's running mate (along with two others) does this make the Taoiseach corrupt also? The answer to both is again absolutely not!!!

Time to calm down and give over with the conspiracy theories lads!

That is baloney.

it is a matter of fact that there is a vastly higer level of corruption among FF than every other party.

You say power attracts greed - of course it does.

The question is, what does FF, as a party do to ensure it is not 'corrupted' by corrupt individuals.

What did FF, as a party do with Lawlor, Burke, Ahern, Foley, Bev, Pee Flynn etc?

Were they cast from the party?

When the revelations came out, were they purged? Was a message sent out that while FF is vulnerable to attracting corrupt individuals by nature of its status, once this is uncovered, it is unacceptable to the party?

Did it Fukk.

You mention Lowry.

Lowry was out of the party by the evening the story was broken.

John Bruton could not have known Lowry was corrupt.
What he could have known was what to do with Lowry once he found out.

Contrast this with the attitude of Ahern to Bev, Lawlor, Burke, Foley, etc.

Contrast this with the attitude of Cowen to Ahern once the revelations became clear.

So because he was a member of Fianna Fail does this make the party corrupt?

Once is an accident, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action.

Haughey, Ahern, Reynolds, Mara, Dunlop, Foley, Burke, Flynn, Flynn, Killally.

At the very least, internal control somewhere in FF has failed.

[essexboy]

That is baloney.
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it is a matter of fact that there is a vastly higer level of corruption among FF than every other party.
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You say power attracts greed - of course it does.
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The question is, what does FF, as a party do to ensure it is not 'corrupted' by corrupt individuals.
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What did FF, as a party do with Lawlor, Burke, Ahern, Foley, Bev, Pee Flynn etc?
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Were they cast from the party?
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When the revelations came out, were they purged? Was a message sent out that while FF is vulnerable to attracting corrupt individuals by nature of its status, once this is uncovered, it is unacceptable to the party?
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Did it Fukk.
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You mention Lowry.
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Lowry was out of the party by the evening the story was broken.
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John Bruton could not have known Lowry was corrupt.
What he could have known was what to do with Lowry once he found out.
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Contrast this with the attitude of Ahern to Bev, Lawlor, Burke, Foley, etc.
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Contrast this with the attitude of Cowen to Ahern once the revelations became clear.
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Once is an accident, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action.
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Haughey, Ahern, Reynolds, Mara, Dunlop, Foley, Burke, Flynn, Flynn, Killally.
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At the very least, internal control somewhere in FF has failed.

Haughey, Ahern, Reynolds, Mara, Dunlop, Foley, Burke, Flynn, Flynn, Killally. *****You left out Callelly and "Stroke Fahy" but there are so many it is dificult to remember all of them!
Local rumour is that another member of the Killally family will be in the spotlight soon together with a senior Garda officer.
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[Effin Effer!!!]

Haughey, Ahern, Reynolds, Mara, Dunlop, Foley, Burke, Flynn, Flynn, Killally. *****You left out Callelly and "Stroke Fahy" but there are so many it is dificult to remember all of them!
Local rumour is that another member of the Killally family will be in the spotlight soon together with a senior Garda officer.
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Well I'm afraid you know more than me when your talking about another member of Killally's family and a senior Garda officer????????

[Effin Effer!!!]

That is baloney.

it is a matter of fact that there is a vastly higer level of corruption among FF than every other party.

You say power attracts greed - of course it does.

The question is, what does FF, as a party do to ensure it is not 'corrupted' by corrupt individuals.

What did FF, as a party do with Lawlor, Burke, Ahern, Foley, Bev, Pee Flynn etc?

Were they cast from the party?

When the revelations came out, were they purged? Was a message sent out that while FF is vulnerable to attracting corrupt individuals by nature of its status, once this is uncovered, it is unacceptable to the party?

Did it Fukk.

You mention Lowry.

Lowry was out of the party by the evening the story was broken.

John Bruton could not have known Lowry was corrupt.
What he could have known was what to do with Lowry once he found out.

Contrast this with the attitude of Ahern to Bev, Lawlor, Burke, Foley, etc.

Contrast this with the attitude of Cowen to Ahern once the revelations became clear.


Once is an accident, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action.

Haughey, Ahern, Reynolds, Mara, Dunlop, Foley, Burke, Flynn, Flynn, Killally.

At the very least, internal control somewhere in FF has failed.

Its not baloney, and if your honest you'll admit that!

Any political party in power for as long as Fianna Fail have been will attract corruption. Even Fine Gael or any other party you care to mention.

Check the names of the Councillors listed at the planning tribunal. They're sure as hell not all Fianna Fail! Bruton didn't remove Lowry imediately and you can't seriously expect any of us to believe that he didn't know about all of the Fine Gael councillors taking bribes??? The party of honest men image that Fine Gael trades on will be the sword they fall on someday!

Anyway, regardless of all that. I'm still of the opinion that just because Killally was picked for the ticket it doesn't automatically mean that Cowen knows everything about him and his life.

[stanley]

To answer your question directly, yes it would be very surprising!

Killally got up at one Fianna Fail meeting after another and swore blind that he was innocent of everything! And I know for a fact that he gave the exact same line to Cowen!

Bertie did the exact same at Mahon and it got so ridiculous that the journos were able to predict he was going to say, he won the money on the horses, in the end he had to go.

Biffo supported Bertie for year upon year at Mahon and it should well have forewarned him on the likes of Killally, it is totally inconceivable with his legal training that he could not spot what was under his nose.

The local lads in FF also would have known about Killally it is not prayer meetings they attend.

[stanley]

Its not baloney, and if your honest you'll admit that!

Any political party in power for as long as Fianna Fail have been will attract corruption. Even Fine Gael or any other party you care to mention.

Check the names of the Councillors listed at the planning tribunal. They're sure as hell not all Fianna Fail! Bruton didn't remove Lowry imediately and you can't seriously expect any of us to believe that he didn't know about all of the Fine Gael councillors taking bribes??? The party of honest men image that Fine Gael trades on will be the sword they fall on someday!

Anyway, regardless of all that. I'm still of the opinion that just because Killally was picked for the ticket it doesn't automatically mean that Cowen knows everything about him and his life.

Frank Dunlop bribed every councillor he came near regardless of party or their so called independence, they came easy and cheap for the most part, but the bigger bribes went to senior politicians in FF, same source different routes, and Mahon should confirm same in its report

[gonepostal]

Does this not finally mean that anyone in political office should not serve as an auctioneer while they are in office as it could lend itself to temptation