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About LinkBacksI was very impressed with this part of the budget speech yesterday. I have limited knowledge of third level never mind fourth level education and would be obliged if a thread debating this issiu could throw some light on all aspects of the subject.
I was very impressed with this part of the budget speech yesterday. I have limited knowledge of third level never mind fourth level education and would be obliged if a thread debating this issiu could throw some light on all aspects of the subject.
Bazinga!
It's the 50th time we've heard about building a knowledge based economy, it's about as likley to happen as the metro is to be ready by it's 2007 deadline.
I've gotten very cynical of their "announcments"...2000 cops, decentralisation, eend to waiting lists and GOD OH GOD how many times have I seen loveley coloured maps with lines all over them showing what a great integrated rail network we'd have by....2007...or is it 2015 now...and when we get to 2013 our FF ministers may realise we haven't started building it yet will it be 2020?
Are they doing anything about postgrad pay? Cause there would be no way I would do a PhD on 12K a year. However if this was brought up to at least 18-20K a year I would certainly seriously consider it.
Ireland interests are best secured within a more dynamic EU. Vote YES to Lisbon.
Perhaps they should start by awarding proper contratcs to research staff in their own institutions. Eg Teagasc, CFB, Marine Institute- all the DEpt of Fin will allow are 6 month/1 year contracts. You'd barely be starting a research programme in that time.
jd
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There's a response to the proposal on the Kildare South FG site - here.
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Thats an interesting angle if a bit defeatist.Originally Posted by aodh_rua
Bazinga!
I think it's a very negative and pessimistic response.
If you don't invest in research, then it won't happen. It's as simple as that. It's true there is a risk that PhD holders will emigrate, I don't think that is necessarily going to happen. If the state is prepared to invest money in research then it is less likely. It's also to be expected that much research will not ultimately result in development of products. There is risk involved.
I was in TCD, when the founders of Iona and Baltimore were doing the research that led to those companies being formed. It was funding from the EU which was directly responsible. Yes, of course those companies are not what they once were, but the experience was overhwelmingly of benefit to the state IMO.
I agree with jdwex. Research done in the state institutions is at least as valuable as that done in the universities. There is no reason why some of the 300 million can't be used for this.
Though, one concern I have, is that the aim should not be to produce PhDs per-se. It's the research and the quality of the research that matters most., not the letters after people's names.
Pessimistic - possibly but also realistic. In the current market, PhD graduates can either apply for graduate positions or hope that they stumble upon something relevant that will pay a premium for their experience.
Often graduate employers don't recognise research work as 'experience' and so the salary levels achieveable at that stage are less than they would have been at the indivdual spent their time in industry from the start.
It's hard to persuade undergrads to continue into 'fourth level' where they either get no pay or a minimum (prestigious IRCSET scholarships for example in the sciences pay only €12,700 per annum and bar students from seeking more than 6 hours a week of other employment). This is hardly an appealing salary for a top graduate with no guarantee of a well-paid job at the end. Leaving college and working for three or four years would leave one industrially better qualified, more employable and better paid. It is therefore essential that any move towards producing more PhD-level graduates is part of a much wider plan.
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It should also be noted that as for attracting people back from industry the loss of your stamp is an issue of accessing health benefits that you have pay for.
The other problem is that money allocated to SFI has been very hard to extract, does anyone think that the SIF will be radically different? And if it isn't spent in the 5 year period will it stay in the 3rd level sector?
60m per year at 30K per Ph.D is 2000 which is a good figure. That 30K is looking at the fees, funding, equipment, etc and is a low figure in reality.
How many Ph.D students do we have currently?
Dan Sullivan. I was back but we still couldn't all have a vote.
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All reasonable concerns, but I think the big picture is surely that post-graduate research is getting a shot in the arm here and that's a good thing.
I've no idea how many PhD students there are. I doubt it's as high as 2000. I mean it is really a minority pursuit that not all 3rd level graduates would go on to.
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