I will say there is nothing like the Brits(english actually) when they get going.
Many of the posts in those links claim that the brits etc are the best workers. doubt that myself but i will say that they have a unique capacity when it comes to working on projects like this. A really huge legacy of workers from the north sea era with a very large skill pool.
I'm not even slightly a PD but no problem. You may indeed be right. But with the information that is available I'm just not sure that what you suspect to be the case is actually so. If it is true that these workers have been brought in for a one-off specific project that is highly specialised then I don't see anything wrong with it. That's what the company say (as do some of the people posting on the Grimsby Telegraph website) and as far as I can see there is no evidence that they're lying. The Unions involved have not backed this strike. I would be inclined to reserve judgement until more is known.Originally Posted by Duth Ealla
if you are not a pd thenn sorry my badYour post on the bid process being tendered etc seemed to my reading as giving a tender process an extra weight that it did not deserve when it comes to preserving workeer's rights. A tender gets you what you asked for. The process in and of itself is no gurantee. Indeed it may well be that the other failed compans offered lower labout rates but were disqualified for technical reasons. we dont know but the the point is tendering means very little. The Gama workers in moneypoint were off a tendered contract and look at how well they did.
On the above quote i dont think he is referring to your i,e you but rather uses your in a general sense to mean anyone looking at this from a free market point of view. But thats a sidebar.
I would suspect the Italians are the experts and the est europeans the labourers but we surely need more info on this.
However my gut tells me that someone is getting screwed here and it aint the italains. I note that the poor fecjkers are also sleeping offshore and bussed in. You reckon the italians are there with them?
This is your neighbourhood, isn't it feenxp? Lincolnshire? If you're going to paste in quotes from that paper, you might as well post these ones among others-
These foreign workers are specialised in this field, and they have been used on similar TOTAL sites throughout Europe. They have not been brought in to replace any British workers. What's the problem?
Just ridiculous is all that springs to mind! IT IS A FRENCH COMPANY! We are not complaining about them bringing work over here but as soon as they bring skilled labour in from elsewhere we strike! This reflects exactly why the UK is in the crisis it is. A greedy work ethic, well sometimes lads and lasses you have to go where the work is! Just like these Italian guys have.
LOR is a good place to work, and this company have been brought in for a specific installation. British companies could not put the full package together when tendering. You have to look at the big picture. TOTAL will not take a hit on their profits, they have got shareholders to consider. It might not be the way we would like things to be, but I'm afraid that at the moment it is.
Perhaps the Telegraph should have told people why these workers were being brought in instead of leaving the story up in the air and letting people draw the wrong conclusions. It could well be that this is no different to British workers being employed on the pipelines in Russia for instance. There is no evidence so far that these jobs at LOR could have been done by local workers so maybe we should just wait and see what the full story says eh?
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It is the dream of Euro federalists to create a single market in goods, services and labour, so that the prices of all would not significantly differ anywhere in Europe. This of course would also mean harmonisation of taxes. Flows of labour from low-wage economies to higher ones helps this process in their view, since it has the general long-term effect of leveling wages throughout Europe.
Any social tensions this may cause between migrant workers and natives of a country should not happen because we are all Europeans; therefore to admit it could happen would be xenophobic. Therefore it is not happening.
This is closely related to the argument: "Multiculturalism is good. Anyone who says it will cause problems is a racist. Therefore it is not causing problems."
It appears the situation in the UK is rapidly growing.
Other refineries have now walked out in support of the employment of foreign workers.
This could be a start of a backlash against foreigners in the UK.
700 in Grange mouth Scotland.
400 workers at Refinery near Redcar in teeside
and news that a Welsh Refinery are set to join.
Times past, English workers objected to Irish workers excavating canals in England.
It was found the English were not up to the tough, and very hard manual work involved.
An Extraordinary Story.
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Here they are, the foreign workers.
They look like high skilled people.
On a great many levels this is worrying. Not the least of which is growing xenophobia and the speed at which left wing Unions are taking to it.
We may be seeing the emergance of a trend here whereby left wing unions back right wing political parties because their aims are becoming common to both. Renegotiation of common EU immigration and work rules being top of the list. Protectionism (defined and justified by nationalism) seem to be becoming the order of the day.
I cannot see any politician in the British government or the broader British left giving the British people what they want should this call for protectionism spread.
Fair play to them, I hope the English working class will wake up at last.
Why shouldnt people want to protect themselves? Why should the gombeens be allowed to import cheap labour to avoid paying decent wages?
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