Three Held in Anti-Republican Probe Released

[Risteard]

Republican Sinn Féin has learnt that three men who were being held following vindictive raids against known Republicans on both sides of the border have since been released without charge.

Two men detained at their homes in County Fermanagh yesterday morning were released at around 2p.m. The third, who was detained in County Monaghan on Tuesday, was also released shortly beforehand.

A spokesperson for Republican Sinn Féin said that this once again highlighted the vindictive nature of such operations, which have become a frequent occurence.

“This is yet another reason why people must stand with the Republican Movement in seeking an end to English rule, which has been disastrous for our country. We also reject the recent assertions of Gerry Adams which preceded and perhaps pre-empted the raids that Republicanism is a criminal ideology.

“The only way forward is for the Irish people to determine themselves following a complete and permanent British withdrawal from Ireland. Only this All-Ireland Republic derives from the same authority as the Dáil which was convened ninety years ago.”

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[sandar]

the lad arrested in monaghan wasnt arrested by the english, how would an end to english rule have affected him, or do you want an end tro irish rule as well Mr. Walsh

[Paddy Dignam]

the lad arrested in monaghan wasnt arrested by the english, how would an end to english rule have affected him, or do you want an end tro irish rule as well Mr. Walsh

I would have thought that someone who was a supporter of the 'United Ireland' party would be able to figure this one out for himself. But here goes.

Republicans exist in Ireland to resist English rule in their country. If the Brits weren't in any part of our country, there would be no need for anyone to resist the occupation as it wouldn't exist. Bit like what Michael Collins did once you know.

[sandar]

yep what I have a problem with is RSF not recognising my country(the republic of Ireland) as legitimate, it insults people like collins who worked to make it happen, yes FG want a united oreland, but we also accept that right of irish people to determine how they wish to be governed, hence accepting the GFA and the existence of nortthern Ireland, just like collins reluctantly accepted the treaty, and said it was a steeping stone, a steeping stone which moved us(thanks at leats in part to FG) from a free state to a republic, to the anglo-irish agreement which gave the republic a say in northern Irish affairs, to the GFA which gives nationalists in the north a parlaiment instead of being ruled directly from britain.

[MartinP]

Funnily enough though, Collins did take up arms in 1916 when the great majority of the Irish people recognised British law a legitimate and elected MPs to represent them in London. That Collins was nothing but a terrorist who refused to recognise what others recognised as legitimate. How dare he. Terrorist.

[sandar]

nope the difference between collins time and now is that in 1916 and for centuries before irish people were denied democracy, whether that wasmerely home rule or something else they were not living in a democratic society and when that is the case resistance by non democratic means is legitimate, however, at this moment the people of the island of ireland have freely and democractiocally chosen how they wish to be governed and the deniers who refuse to recognise the irish republic are fighting against the express wishes of thoe irish people

[Mr Crowley]

nope the difference between collins time and now is that in 1916 and for centuries before irish people were denied democracy, whether that wasmerely home rule or something else they were not living in a democratic society and when that is the case resistance by non democratic means is legitimate, however, at this moment the people of the island of ireland have freely and democractiocally chosen how they wish to be governed and the deniers who refuse to recognise the irish republic are fighting against the express wishes of thoe irish people

So maybe 20% of the population of Ireland and a tiny fraction of the population of Ireland and Britain combined gets to hold a veto over the wishes of everyone else and that's democratic is it?

[MartinP]

nope the difference between collins time and now is that in 1916 and for centuries before irish people were denied democracy, whether that wasmerely home rule or something else they were not living in a democratic society and when that is the case resistance by non democratic means is legitimate, however, at this moment the people of the island of ireland have freely and democractiocally chosen how they wish to be governed and the deniers who refuse to recognise the irish republic are fighting against the express wishes of thoe irish people

So the resistance movement before 1921 was undemocratic? Furthermore, those who participated in the resistance were acting undemocratically, but in order to bring about something democratic? I think you might be a little mixed up.

(Re: 1916 and that era; I reiterate, most people voted for members of the IPP or the Unionist Party. Their actions were deemed to be democratic at the time by the establishment. It was the acceptable thing to do and Britain had established itself here and were recognised internationally as the legitimate government of Ireland). It's near enough a parallel situation we're in today, if people who fought (and continue to do so) against Britain's presence in Ireland post-1921 were (and are) terrorist, then they're only as terrorist as those who fought in 1916, etc.

[sandar]

So maybe 20% of the population of Ireland and a tiny fraction of the population of Ireland and Britain combined gets to hold a veto over the wishes of everyone else and that's democratic is it?

it is if 93% of the people of ireland want it that way, I really dont care what the people of britain think, Im in favour of self determination for the people of ireland, british people dont have a say in that.

[MartinP]

it is if 93% of the people of ireland want it that way, I really dont care what the people of britain think, Im in favour of self determination for the people of ireland, british people dont have a say in that.

Until a poll is held with one question for all Ireland, and the result, not threatened with war (or vote one way for war, the other for peace), is accepted we won't know what percentage of the people have a desire to see Britain gone.