Ganley launches pan-Europe political party in Brussels

[jfk2008]

One that doesn't threaten and/or ignore countries who exercise their democratic voice though referendums perhaps?

Or maybe one that is actually a federal super-state?

BTW, which EU country has threatened Ireland or ignored it?

The other EU countries are trying to meet the concerns of No voters so that the Treaty of Lisbon can be ratified.

Surely if the concerns of No voters are addressed they'd be willing to change their minds?

[CookieMonster]

BTW, which EU country has threatened Ireland or ignored it?

You've moved the goalposts, again. I didn't say country and I also didn't specify Ireland. I was addressing your point about what kind of Union. The French vote was ignored, as was the Dutch.

The other EU countries are trying to meet the concerns of No voters so that the Treaty of Lisbon can be ratified.

Surely if the concerns of No voters are addressed they'd be willing to change their minds?

And if not we can ask them again, or better yet just tell their conserns were addressed, pat them on the bum and send them on their merry little way.

[people korps]

It is about a new ideology Militaristic, federal. Do we want a European super party of right wing militarists and xenophobes?

[CookieMonster]

The far right and these issues all combined with a bland rhetoric that he does not personally adhere to re transparency and accountability.
Such a movement if it took hold could be very threatening to pan European liberty.

Nobody knows what you're on about and you are at serious risk of derailing your own thead into another one of your stream of consciousness anti-Ganley rants.

[jfk2008]

You've moved the goalposts, again. I didn't say country and I also didn't specify Ireland. I was addressing your point about what kind of Union. The French vote was ignored, as was the Dutch.

How were they ignored? The proposed constitution was ditched.

And if not we can ask them again, or better yet just tell their conserns were addressed, pat them on the bum and send them on their merry little way.

So you're not prepared to countenance another referendum even if your concerns are addressed?

Strikes me as a pretty stupid attitude to take. Then again you are a Libertas supporter...

[people korps]

Nobody knows what you're on about and you are at serious risk of derailing your own thead into another one of your stream of consciousness anti-Ganley rants.

de Villiers plus Ganley/Rivada "forum on public safety in Europe and Amaerica" plus Libertas is heading that way

[Bobert]

So you're not prepared to countenance another referendum even if your concerns are addressed?

Not a Libertas supporter or member, but will the protocols in Lisbon 2 address my concern of a democratic deficit?

[people korps]

Nobody knows what you're on about and you are at serious risk of derailing your own thead into another one of your stream of consciousness anti-Ganley rants.

de Villiers plus Ganley/Rivada "forum on public safety in Europe and Amaerica" plus Libertas is heading that way. They are the issues they are interested in not Lisbon see

talks

2006

Ganleys other think tank

roup 1: Emergency Cooperation between the Civil and Military Power: Where can we improve current best practices?

Group 2: Policymakers and Legislators: What are we doing to improve public safety in Europe and North America?

Group 3: Crisis Management: What are the best practices for managing a crisis, whether manmade or act of God?

Group 4: Exercise Planning: What lessons have we learned from events and exercises to date and how can we apply these lessons to improve public safety?

Group 5: Resources: What resources can we leverage for improving protection, response and recovery measures in connection with natural and/or manmade emergencies?

Group 6: Global Supply Chain Security: How do we ensure secure and efficient passage of goods and services across the globe, at ports and through other channels?

Group 7: Improving Interoperability in Europe and North America, and between Europe and North America: What are the obstacles for establishing real-time communications interoperability and how can we overcome them?

Group 8: Borders: How is border security integral to public safety and what can we do to improve border security?

Amonng the 2007 Topics
5. UNDERSTANDING RADICALISATION: What is the radicalisation process, what influences idealists to become terrorists and what can we do to dissuade them from pursuing terrorist means?

6. COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND INTELLIGENCE GATHERING: The latest approaches and lessons learned from the cities of North America, Europe and the Middle East.

7. ‘THE WESTERN ALLIANCE’: Strengthening old ties. The stress points - the strong points - the way ahead.
This is Rivada funded and was Libertas's sister think tank , same employees eg Naoise Nunn who worked on this and Libertas for Rivada

There is a heavy trend toward military and civilian "co operation", intelligence, Middle East and Islamic issues, and border security.
Not very in keeping with an enlightened and tolerant Europe.
Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America

Lots of internal links , the testimonials say a lot about the militaristic ideas and people it promotes

A little highlighting helps show Ganley's concerns

[CookieMonster]

How were they ignored? The proposed constitution was ditched.

Renamed and repackaged. It was far from ditched. Even the flag and anthem ae back.

So you're not prepared to countenance another referendum even if your concerns are addressed?


Strikes me as a pretty stupid attitude to take.

I didn't say that.

Then again you are a Libertas supporter...

Indeed I am, and happy to be.

[Bobert]

Peopple Korps, you're brilliant.