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    Support for a United Ireland is higher in the Republic than among Northern Catholics

    According to a poll in the Sunday Business Post in 2006 80% of people in the Republic support a United Ireland, but only 47% of the Catholic population in the North do according to the NILT survey publised today.

    Majority want a united Ireland, but not in a hurry: ThePost.ie

    NI Life and Times Survey - 2007: NIRELND2

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    And your point is?

    That pole in the SBP is two years out of date.
    The other pole from the six couties is also not news.

    Everyone knows that under the GFA support for a UI must be built in the six counties. Sinn Féin have a unionist outreach programme which aims at developing relationships between nationalists and unionists which provides a good context for a rational debate about a UI; Sinn Féin are confident that a rational debate on a UI would reveal the strength of the case (not least in terms of advancing equality) but all of this is a work in progress.
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    I'm not sure how many threads need to be started on this subject. The fact is that no one alive today is likely to see the end of partition and that there will probably never be a majority in N.I. that favour unification with the RoI as as separate independant state, just as (regetably from my perspective) there with never be a majority in the Republic that wish to re-unify with the U.K. in whatever arrangement.

    It doesn't stop either option being a totally valid aspiration, as long as no one is hurt in the persuit of someone else's pipedream.
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    I suspect the NI poll had a lot of DK's and that the Northern Catholics would vote yes 2-1 but that a lot of SDLP voters would vote no - polls of Northern SF voters always show 98-9% for unity, but a three-way yes/no/DK split among SDLP voters. Personally I think SF will be hoist on their own petard on this issue, as the mass immigration they support on both sides of the border will mean fewer yes votes as newcomers without Irish ancestry won't much care for this issue, and would consequently be more susceptible to no side arguments. And I say that as a supporter of unity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeyjoejoe View Post
    According to a poll in the Sunday Business Post in 2006 80% of people in the Republic support a United Ireland, but only 47% of the Catholic population in the North do according to the NILT survey publised today.

    Majority want a united Ireland, but not in a hurry: ThePost.ie

    NI Life and Times Survey - 2007: NIRELND2

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    I suspect the NI poll had a lot of DK's and that the Northern Catholics would vote yes 2-1 but that a lot of SDLP voters would vote no - polls of Northern SF voters always show 98-9% for unity, but a three-way yes/no/DK split among SDLP voters. Personally I think SF will be hoist on their own petard on this issue, as the mass immigration they support on both sides of the border will mean fewer yes votes as newcomers without Irish ancestry won't much care for this issue, and would consequently be more susceptible to no side arguments. And I say that as a supporter of unity.
    Are you saying that to a neutral observer arguments against a united Ireland are inherently stronger than those in its favour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by factual View Post
    And your point is?
    That there's more partitionism among Catholics in the North than there is in the Free State?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnash1970 View Post
    Are you saying that to a neutral observer arguments against a united Ireland are inherently stronger than those in its favour?
    Of course they are. FT has got a point on imigration changing attitudes to this issue. The whole "united Ireland" pipedream is based on a 19th century (if not earlier) idea of a "nation state" and a narrow ethnically driven sovreignty. People who come from outside the island are unlikly to be attracted to that. Indeed quite the opposite. It's far better for them to live in a multi ethnic multi national state like the U.K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    newcomers without Irish ancestry won't much care for this issue, and would consequently be more susceptible to no side arguments. And I say that as a supporter of unity.
    Just like these two fellas don't care too much for Welsh or Scottish nationalism I suppose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnash1970 View Post
    Are you saying that to a neutral observer arguments against a united Ireland are inherently stronger than those in its favour?
    If they are misinformed then yes In addition, the immigrants may associate changing the constitutional status-quo with calling into question their economic interests, especially for non-EU nationals worried about whether they will be allowed stay/work in the new context.

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