Handgun Ban - Another Example of the Nanny State

[zakalwe1]

Yes it is, but they don't use Glocks do they?

so ban glocks and not sporting pistols. however, the proposed ban will not discriminate between the two.

ps. does this include airpistols?

[White Horse]

No evidence at all. People who legally own fire arms have near draconian stipulations attached to the license, including owning a safe for the gun and ammunition.

Actually, separate safes.

It is incredibly difficult to obtain a licence for a handgun. It even goes as far as requiring pysciatric reports for individuals who have suffered from a mental illness, even depression, at some stage in their lives.

[alonso]

there is no civil reason as a private citizen to own a handgun. They should be erased from Ireland in total. Shooting handguns is not a real sport, in as much as Darts is ffs. and the Charlton HEstons of P.ie can fck right off. I'm normally forthright on this board but open-minded but when it comes to guns I'm fully willing to leave myself open to accusations by waiving my right to be the latter. That and hunting are the 2 issues that are black and white to me, and i'm right on both.

[FrankSpeaks]

Yes it is, but they don't use Glocks do they?

I have absolutely no idea what makes of handgun are used and the fact is that this law will not keep Glocks out of the hands of criminals.

[zakalwe1]

there is no civil reason as a private citizen to own a handgun. They should be erased from Ireland in total. Shooting handguns is not a real sport, in as much as Darts is ffs. and the Charlton HEstons of P.ie can fck right off. I'm normally forthright on this board but open-minded but when it comes to guns I'm fully willing to leave myself open to accusations by waiving my right to be the latter. That and hunting are the 2 issues that are black and white to me, and i'm right on both.

pistol shooting is an olympic sport. the pistols used cannot be fired repeatedly and are hard to conceal.

by all means ban glocks etc but not legitimate sporting equipment.

whats next? banning rally cars because cars can kill and are major pollutants? how about banning archery and judo as they can hurt and kill?

and i presume your infallibilty about hunting means you support it?

[dennehym]

That article is incorrect, there are a lot more legally held handguns in the state.

No, there aren't. 1865 at the last count two weeks ago.
The thing is, that includes air pistols like mine, starting pistols, the human dispatch things that vets use on horses and other large animals, smallbore olympic pistols, and a few other things that are nothing to do with that picture on the front page of the Times today.

I know alot of people who are not going to hand over their guns without a fight. This will be fun.

Bollocks. We've never broken any law, we're not about to start now. But what we won't do is accept that this is legitimate or that it's well informed. It's not the nanny state - it's the bully state.

Pardon my ignorance, but what sports involve the use of handguns ?

Six events in the Olympics (including modern pentathlon), and somewhere around fifty other international events. And no, we don't use Glocks in the Olympics, we use air pistols and .22 pistols.

And for the record, if you want a pistol licence in this country, you need a good reason to have one, you need a secure place to store it, your house gets inspected by the CPO, you need a monitored house alarm with someone like eircom phonewatch, you have to be a member of a shooting range, and you have to grant the gardai access to your medical records. And even after all that, the Superintendent can refuse you - and is legally obliged to do so if he thinks you having a pistol would be a threat to public safety or the peace. And he can attach any preconditions to your licence that he wants - proficiency courses is a standard precondition, for example.

And for the record as well, what's been reported in the Times and RTE in the last week or two has not been factually correct. For example, it was reported that Commissioner Murphy told the Public Accounts Committee that 800 legally held guns had been seized from criminals last year. In fact, what he said was illegally held guns - the direct opposite.

I'm waiting to hear back from the Department on this, but I'm not believing the Times on this one just yet.

[Kevin Doyle]

Yes it is, but they don't use Glocks do they?

I dont think there are any legally held Glocks in Ireland. Just this year High Court Judge Peter Charleton refused an appeal for a licence for a glock as it is considered a Military weapon unsuitable for sport.

Legally held hand guns are limited to pistols and revolvers.

[White Horse]

there is no civil reason as a private citizen to own a handgun.

Yes there is. It is called personal freedom.

[dennehym]

And for those who've never seen our sport, show me another sport where you can see this kind of thing:

[Akrasia]

Banning handguns is not going to take them our of the hands of the criminals, this law is targeting the wrong people, i.e. the law abiding citizens who have applied for and been vetted before being given a license.

nope, but allowing handguns is going to make things worse.