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    Who are these Public Servants ?

    Will someone please explain to me, you know the way that the buzzword at the moment is 'we have to cut the number of public servants', I'd like to know who they are ?. Are they Gardai, Teachers, Special Needs Assistants, are they the extra Nurses that were employed to cover for the reduced hours nurses now work, perhaps Remedial Teachers ? I would really like to know who the nameless Public Servants are, perhaps IBEC maybe can come back with an answer.
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    Quangos. Random pointless policy groups. Admin. Pointless supervisors. People who dont do their job efficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiss View Post
    Quangos. Random pointless policy groups. Admin. Pointless supervisors. People who dont do their job efficiently.
    Could hit quite a lot of civil servants using that as a basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grainne whale View Post
    Will someone please explain to me, you know the way that the buzzword at the moment is 'we have to cut the number of public servants', I'd like to know who they are ?. Are they Gardai, Teachers, Special Needs Assistants, are they the extra Nurses that were employed to cover for the reduced hours nurses now work, perhaps Remedial Teachers ? I would really like to know who the nameless Public Servants are, perhaps IBEC maybe can come back with an answer.
    To put is simply, public servants are GENERALLY the professions within State service, ie, Gardai, Nurses, Teachers, Lawyers etc etc. They have different terms of service than normal mortal Civil Servants who are not qualified in any particular and generally work within the various Government Departments (rather than in service delivery areas) though nowadays a college degree is common. Thats a simplified explanation but sufficient I think for your purposes.

    I think what people really mean is get rid of the civil servants and keep the service delivery personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiss View Post
    Quangos. Random pointless policy groups. Admin. Pointless supervisors. People who dont do their job efficiently.
    If you are going to answer a question would you at least go to the trouble of doing in properly. We are all, by now, used to your various rantings, but you might make an effort rather than just regurgitate generalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grainne whale View Post
    Will someone please explain to me, you know the way that the buzzword at the moment is 'we have to cut the number of public servants', I'd like to know who they are ?. Are they Gardai, Teachers, Special Needs Assistants, are they the extra Nurses that were employed to cover for the reduced hours nurses now work, perhaps Remedial Teachers ? I would really like to know who the nameless Public Servants are, perhaps IBEC maybe can come back with an answer.
    All the extra nurses we employ compared to France and Germany which nonetheless deliver much better hospital care and health services to their citizens.

    Nurses employed : OECD: Trend in Number of nurses employed, per 1000, in a number of countries, 1990-2004 (table) - EUphact
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    Agency staff followed by short term contract staff are the first to suffer. I have a friend who works in the OPW, he says where he works quite a few short termers have suddenly dropped off the work roster. No goodbye, just a 'don't bother showing up monday'.

    When that is all trimmed back, then the real pruning can begin. But the unions will see all the expendables axed first rather than see them replace their own members.

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    A friend working for a media company says they are in process of filming undercovering in the public sector to uncover the restrictive work practises, time wasting etc. Dispatches did something similar in UK for Channel 4 a few years back.

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    Why does anyone defending the public sector always start off by saying guards, nurses, teachers which does not represent even half of what of the sector.
    The public sector is due to receive nearly €300m in pay increases next year which the country has to borrow for- please make sense of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitchy2 View Post
    Why does anyone defending the public sector always start off by saying guards, nurses, teachers which does not represent even half of what of the sector.
    The public sector is due to receive nearly €300m in pay increases next year which the country has to borrow for- please make sense of that?
    Yes but who are they, they must be admin. staff then ?
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