Teachers salaries

[Pauli]

The above post is a classic in showing the complete lack of grasp of reality of the left in this country. If all the solicitors were reduced to penury the economy would be destroyed and there would be no taxes to pay teachers. The best teachers and the best schools sghould attract the funding to ensure maximum return that is not what happens thatnks to the loolas and smoked salmon socialists. They like you want to keep firing money at everyhting like a fireman trying to quench a fire in the vain hope it'll solve the problem.

The same tired shyte over and over and over again. Left, lefty, pinko, unions, smoked salmon socialists, liberal, elitist, loolas etc. etc. etc. etc. Where do you get this bollox? The McCain/Palin lexicon of empty platitudes?? Anything to the left of the murderous, terrorist-supporting cabal of wingnut crackpot lunatics called the US Republican Party is "leftist" in your eyes. That makes about 80% of the posters on this site "leftist" in one way or another. Mental

[Clanrickard]

The same tired shyte over and over and over again. Left, lefty, pinko, unions, smoked salmon socialists, liberal, elitist, loolas etc. etc. etc. etc. Where do you get this bollox? The McCain/Palin lexicon of empty platitudes?? Anything to the left of the murderous, terrorist-supporting cabal of wingnut crackpot lunatics called the US Republican Party is "leftist" in your eyes. That makes about 80% of the posters on this site "leftist" in one way or another. Mental

Ahh I mention unhinged and exhibit A comes along. Care to address any of the points raised?

[feargach]

No. But to improve the sytem the best teachers should get the jobs. If job losses are to occur and it seems they are then it is the worst teachers that should go. That won't happen because of the obstructionist teachers unions and a servile government.

How does one define worst teacher? I remember the worst teacher I ever had. I got an A in her class because I am a motivated student.

There is no possible way of reliably measuring a teacher´s performance because the outcome of any student´s work is ENTIRELY down to that student´s core motivation to learn.

Seriously, the Junior minister for agriculture in Venezuela has more influence over a student´s outcome than the teacher. People will learn in direct and non variable proportion to their desire to learn.

[Clanrickard]

How does one define worst teacher? I remember the worst teacher I ever had. I got an A in her class because I am a motivated student.

There is no possible way of reliably measuring a teacher´s performance because the outcome of any student´s work is ENTIRELY down to that student´s core motivation to learn.

Seriously, the Junior minister for agriculture in Venezuela has more influence over a student´s outcome than the teacher. People will learn in direct and non variable proportion to their desire to learn.

Complete twaddle. Aren't you embarrassed? It is amazing how the looney left will twist and turn to try and avoid the ubncomfortable truths. The public secotr is overpaid, underworked and cosseted and well you know it. They should be subject to similar variables as those in the private sector. End of.

[politicaldonations]

Irish teachers have had it good for years - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 01, 2008

OPINION: A retired Irish-born teacher whose career was in England suggests teachers here protest a little too much . . ., wrtes Pat Courtney

[angelcounty]

What i dont like is that a lot of people never accept defeat just because of the opportunity we had in these country and they lack it, they dont even know how the systems works all they know in educations is just to blarb like a yoyo and in our tax system.

[Knight of Munster]

The last generation grew up largely illiterate and have to be re-educated, we don't owe teachers a penny for a terrible job not done.

[feargach]

Complete twaddle. Aren't you embarrassed? It is amazing how the looney left will twist and turn to try and avoid the ubncomfortable truths. The public secotr is overpaid, underworked and cosseted and well you know it. They should be subject to similar variables as those in the private sector. End of.

I´m standing by the fact that I got an A in the class of my worst teacher. So my direct experience is that teachers are unimportant and what matters is the learner´s desire to learn.

If you have some contrary EVIDENCE, showing that a good teacher can somehow turn a class of drug smoking delinquents into bookish A-students, I want to see it.

If you produce the evidence, I will change my mind.

But if I produce the evidence, will you change yours?

I have my doubts, I think your beliefs aren´t the kind which pay attention to mere facts and proof.

Your type of mind usually takes its directions from a "higher" source, perhaps?

[Oppenheimer]

I´m standing by the fact that I got an A in the class of my worst teacher. So my direct experience is that teachers are unimportant and what matters is the learner´s desire to learn.

I'm guessing that class was not statistics?

[Big Bobo]

I´m standing by the fact that I got an A in the class of my worst teacher. So my direct experience is that teachers are unimportant and what matters is the learner´s desire to learn.

If that was the case we wouldn't need an education system, either public or private. All that matters is wanting to learn!