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    Hypnosis and deliberately created MPD agents, as used by Intelligence Agencies

    This is a strange subject that I know many will not agree with but there are so many allegations about this practice out there now in books, articles and the web that I thought some here might like it explored in some depth. I think it is this general area that has been mentioned before as well by sparxz1000 in another thread, where he talks about:
    "In ref to "Recovered Memory syndrom". It is common for people abused to bury, or be brainwashed into denying an event. It can take years of good counselling to 'safely' dig this out. It is common for people who endure this abuse, to commit suicide ether because of repressing, or in the early stages of disclosure." (sparxz1000at http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...ireland-6.html)
    This is the general subject of Hypnosis and deliberately created Multiple Personality Disorder agents, and the horrific allegations of their use by modern intelligence agencies and Occult Cults. Anyway maybe somebody out there in politics.ie land might like the article, even though it definitely will not be to everyones tastes.

    Hypnosis
    Might as well start with this quote from Dr George H Estabrooks, writing in the 'Science Digest' Easter 1971, describing some of his hypnosis work for the US military during both world wars:
    "One of the most fascinating but dangerous applications of hypnosis is its use in military intelligence. This is a field with which I am familiar though formulating guide lines for the techniques used by the United States in two world wars. Communication in war is always a headache. Codes can be broken. A professional spy may or may not stay bought. Your own man may have unquestionable loyalty, but his judgment is always open to question.

    The "hypnotic courier," on the other hand, provides a unique solution. I was involved in preparing many subjects for this work during World War II. One successful case involved an Army Service Corps Captain whom we'll call George Smith......

    Then I put him under deep hypnosis, and gave him -- orally -- a vital message to be delivered directly on his arrival in Japan to a certain colonel -- let's say his name was Brown -- of military intelligence. Outside of myself, Colonel Brown was the only person who could hypnotize Captain Smith. This is "locking." I performed it by saying to the hypnotised Captain: "Until further orders from me, only Colonel Brown and I can hypnotize you. We will use a signal phrase 'the moon is clear.' Whenever you hear this phrase from Brown or myself you will pass instantly into deep hypnosis." When Captain Smith re-awakened, he had no conscious memory or what happened in trance. All that he was aware of was that he must head for Tokyo to pick up a division report.

    On arrival there, Smith reported to Brown, who hypnotised him with the signal phrase. Under hypnosis, Smith delivered my message and received one to bring back. Awakened, he was given the division report and returned home by jet. There I hypnotised him once more with the signal phrase, and he spieled off Brown's answer that had been dutifully tucked away in his unconscious mind.

    The system is virtually foolproof. As exemplified by this case, the information was "locked" in Smith's unconscious for retrieval by the only two people who knew the combination. The subject had no conscious memory of what happened, so could not spill the beans. No one else could hypnotize him even if they might know the signal phrase."(1)

    Trauma induced hidden memories
    No doubt these intelligence agencies have long seen the value in the use of hypnosis to hide memories, and hence create perfect couriers etc, but unfortunately it is alleged that these agencies have also copied practices that have been used in the past by certain cults which involve the use of trauma as a better way to hide memories in people. Apparently what these cults discovered is that extreme trauma (both physical and psychological e.g. rape) can be the best way to hide memories in people. It works a bit like the shell shocked soldiers of WWI. What happened in that case was that some of those soldiers were so traumatised by what they witnessed (on the battlefields, when they were literally 'scared out of their wits', incidentally one such traumatised soldier is portrayed in the film Ryan's Daughter)(2) that they were unable to remember what actually happened to them, until, sometimes years later, they got 'flashbacks' of those traumatic episodes. Their minds/brains had deliberately shut down the memory, making it unavailable to the conscious person, in order to save the person's sanity because it was just too traumatic, but had stored the memory in the brain behind a kind of 'amnesiac wall'. This wall then often breaks down as the years go by giving rise to 'flashbacks' or maybe a realistic dream of the memory. Also this 'flashback' (3) could be 'triggered' sometimes by seeing something that reminded them of the memory or maybe by a sound that was like the sound of the artillery during the war.

    It is claimed that it is this kind of effect that has been harnessed by these intelligence agencies for their own purposes. (Actually its even claimed that an institute set up in London to study those WWI patients - the Tavistock Institute - was one of the places used by the intelligence agencies to master this technology.) To take a simplistic example: an agent might be allowed to view secret plans in the interval between being traumatised - they have a wide range of ways of inducing the trauma e.g. electro shocks.(4) That memory is then stored nicely behind these internal mind walls so that the person himself cannot recall the memory and so cannot be interrogated about the plans etc. This person could then be used to transport the plans to somebody else, the receiving person is told what triggers are needed to call up the memory from the messenger (remember the 'trigger' is just something that causes the person to recall the memory, the same way that an ordinary memory can be recalled e.g. by a sound or smell or sight or form of words similar to that contained in the memory) who then recalls the memory, passes on the plans, and then is further traumatised so that the original agent cannot recall passing on the message. For the intelligence agencies they have the perfect courier, hence their great interest in these horrific technologies.

    Another aspect to this is that they found that when they manipulate the mind like this in their unfortunate subjects they could tap into some of the hidden resources of the human mind and how it affects the body. Again, to explain this using a simple example, consider what happens when a goalkeeper makes a 'reflex save' in football. This is obviously where the ball is going so fast that the goalkeeper is not really conscious of saving the ball, he just shoots his hand out instinctively to catch the ball without his conscious mind directing his arm. Somehow its his unconscious mind that does it for him. If you think about it this is a fascinating concept. This 'instinct' is not ingrained in a person from birth (like the reflex of moving your leg when somebody hits your knee etc) somehow your conscious world, the world that demands the ball be saved, has impressed onto your unconscious or instinctive self that the ball should be saved. Another example might be instinctively putting on the brakes or clutch when driving a car. It wasn't that you did those things without thinking about them at first, at first you had to learn them and were very conscious of what you were doing then afterwards it became 'instinctive', meaning that somehow the skill went from your conscious mind to your unconscious one who handled it from thereon. The point here is that your unconscious mind often has greater physical capacity than your conscious one, its usually quicker. After all think about that goalkeeper again, the 'reflex save' is the most difficult one, the one where the ball - and hence the arm - is going fastest, it is tapping into this 'instinctive' ability that allows the best goalkeepers to do what they do. This is what these 'mind manipulators' are doing, they are bypassing the normal conscious mind and therefore can tap into the awesome capabilities of the 'unconscious' mind. Specifically when they are manipulating minds using this trauma technique they can call on e.g. a photographic memory - taking advantage of the faster reading ability of the unconscious mind - , or extreme tolerance for cold and lack of oxygen - useful to develop a great swimmer - because they are playing around with this powerful unconscious mind.

    A further trick that these controllers try was actually used by the British Army in the North at one point. This is sensory deprivation. It was found that if the body cannot feel any of the normal human sensations (say hearing sound, seeing light, feeling touch etc) then your mind can start to wander and enter into this 'dissociative' type of state just like under trauma. In that state you can again receive messages etc much like under hypnosis or under trauma. Apparently these intelligence agencies have developed large water tanks where they submerge these patients using body suits and breathing apparatus, where they would be in total darkness, complete silence, and with a feeling of weightlessness as they float in the water, and in this state they can receive the messages and instructions like under trauma.

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    Deliberate Creation of Agents with Multiple Personalities
    But the intelligence agencies have gone way beyond even that in manipulating the mind, they have also developed multiple personalities in their agents, as the aforementioned Dr Estabrooks also describes:
    "Not all applications of hypnotism to military intelligence are as tidy as that. Perhaps you have read 'The Three Faces of Eve'. The book was based on a case reported in 1905 by Dr. Morton Prince of Massachusetts general Hospital and Harvard. He startled everyone in the field by announcing that he had cured a woman named Beauchamp of a split personality problem. Using post-hypnotic suggestion to submerge an incompatible, childlike facet of the patient, he'd been able to make two other sides of Mrs. Beauchamp compatible, and lump them together in a single cohesive personality. Clinical hypnotists throughout the world jumped on the multiple personality bandwagon as a fascinating frontier. By the 1920's, not only had they learned to apply post-hypnotic suggestion to deal with this weird problem, but also had learned how to split certain complex individuals into multiple personalities like Jeckyl-Hydes.

    The potential for military intelligence has been nightmarish. During World War II, I worked this technique with a vulnerable Marine lieutenant I'll call Jones. Under the watchful eye of Marine Intelligence I spilt his personality into Jones A and Jones B. Jones A, once a "normal" working Marine, became entirely different. He talked communist doctrine and meant it. He was welcomed enthusiastically by communist cells, was deliberately given a dishonorable discharge by the Corps (which was in on the plot) and became a card carrying party member.

    The joker was Jones B, the second personality, formerly apparent in the conscious Marine. Under hypnosis, this Jones had been carefully coached by suggestion. Jones B was the deeper personality, knew all the thoughts of Jones A, was a loyal American, and was "imprinted" to say nothing during conscious phases.

    All I had to do was hypnotize the whole man, get in touch with Jones B, the loyal American, and I had a pipeline straight into the Communist camp. It worked beautifully for months with this subject, but the technique backfired. While there was no way for an enemy to expose Jones' dual personality, they suspected it and played the same trick on us later."(5)
    What Dr Estabrooks doesn't say, but what was well known even then, is that Multiple Personalities are usually created as a result of traumatic episodes, which begs the question about how he really created the personalities that he describes. Apparently what the cults had found out earlier - the intelligence agencies are said to be copying practices known about first in occult cults - was that if you try these trauma-creating-hidden-memory techniques with very young children you can get them to develop different personalities which correspond to the different memories. A young child is obviously developing their personality every day, copying adults and developing likes and dislikes etc in response to what happens to them in the wider world. If then the child is in this trauma state for a long period - the same type of state that the WWI soldiers were in -, and experiencing these locked in memories, they might develop a different personality that goes along with the memory.(6) For example if during one of these states their controllers teach them sexual tricks and coach them into using a personality that goes along with these tricks (believe me these accounts are very disturbing, apparently this is exactly the type of thing that goes on even to young children) then when the memory is called up later (using the 'trigger') the child might exhibit the personality of a sex addict, as they were trained to do at the time they got that memory. Then as time goes on and as the trainer repeatedly calls up that memory, to give more and more sexual instruction, the child might develop a whole new personality with different mannerisms and even a different name to their usual name. It is this type of practice that has apparently created a lot of people with Multiple Personality Disorder, hence this condition is now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) because its realised that the separate personalities are created in this type of 'Dissociative' state.(7) These 'MPD' victims are then very useful to the intelligence agencies, they can use the sex addict personalities for entrapment operations etc.

    Apparently in training in these different personalities into a person the trainers sometimes use their own techniques but also some standardised 'scripts'. What they seem to be aiming for when they are doing this, and hence what they need from the scripts, are something like this:
    1) They want the child's imagination to take off when they are in this trauma or 'dissociative' state, because that way they will develop good 'personalities' easier. Obviously some children can have good imagination, and even imaginary friends etc, and if they can use that imagination when they are being trained with the new personalities then the personalities will take on a life of their own within the child, which is the effect they are looking for.

    2) When they use the different triggers to access the different personalities (believe it or not some people end up with hundreds of these different personalities) they need a simple system that the child - and the trainer in fact - can remember. So for example they might get the child to imagine a rubrics cube and then access the different personalities via grid numbers, or they might get the child to imagine a kind of virtual world - like in the videogame Quake perhaps - so that they could later get to the personalities by walking through this 3d imaginary world.(8)

    3) They want to make it difficult for the person to reconstruct their memories if in later life the amnesiac walls break down. So for example if they had developed this kind of virtual world, as described above, they might include traps so that if a person walked the wrong way, or broke through the wrong wall or mirror etc, they would trigger suicide programming or extreme trauma memories that would scare the person into not delving further into their own mind.

    One curious aspect of these 'scripts' that they use is that they are usually well known fairy tales (it helps, as Shane Dunphy - the Child Protection worker and Irish Independent writer - explains in one of his books, that some fairy tales can have surprisingly horrific twists and endings (9)), or popular children's books or films. I guess the reason why they use sources like that would include the following:
    1) It allows them to hide things in plain sight, as intelligence agencies always like to do. For example picture the scene where one of these contrived trauma sessions goes wrong. Imagine some mind expert is doing this to their own child and accidentally drowns him/her in the bath during a trauma episode. (These practices usually happen in military bases apparently, but are backed up as well by practising trauma, and then entering dissociative states, at home.) Then the Gardaí come and survey the scene. Obviously if they find some book entitled 'Pentagon Manual for Creating Dissociative States', or some such, on the side of the person's bed then they have a big clue into what was going on, whereas if they find a copy of the Wizard of Oz or a DVD of Disney Movies then there is no such problem. All they need is some script that will catch the child's imagination, as pointed above, so saying she is Dorothy and only has to click her shoes to change her environment (meaning change personalities) works as well as any other manual.(10)

    2) It helps if a person is reminded of these scripts later, it reinforces the original trauma and hypnotic conditioning. Since these are normal films and books, that are out there in everyday life, the chances are that a child will trip across references to them in the normal media and when that happens it will reinforce their 'programming'. (They refer to this process of creating personalities etc as 'programming' the mind.)

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    Manipulating the memories to discredit the victims
    In order to preserve the secrecy behind all this the perpetrators also use tricks like scrambling memories. For example, they sometimes get their victims to watch films during an episode. To explain this imagine a victim is sent to deliver a message, in the way described above about passing on secret plans, in this case maybe to a person in Wall Street. Then when the person gets there to deliver the message, in this artificial traumatic state of mind, they are instructed to watch the film Wall Street. Imagine the scene in later years when the person is trying to piece together those memories. Imagine him/her relating it to a therapist say - or in court - he/she would try and remember a name and the only name that comes to them is 'Gecko' and when described he looks like Michael Douglas! Then of course the victim loses all credibility and is left unsure whether they really did experience the episode they remember or whether they just had dreams about a film they saw. This is described in some detail by Kathleen Sullivan:
    "In Washington DC, I was allegedly taken several times to a movie theater named Janus that is allegedly owned by the CIA. A middle aged male handler sat to my right and quickly put me in a hypnotic trance. As I watched the large movie screen, he told me that the movie was real and that I was one of the characters in it. I believed him, and the movie became another screen memory. This was usually done after an covert op. The people who allegedly ran me for the CIA chose movies that had at least one item or event in them that parallelled the real op I had just been a part of. And again, if I remembered later, the movie would come up first as reality to me, blocking the memory of the op. I've since learned to scan the room in my memory, using my peripheral vision. Seeing the handler sitting beside me in a seat, I know I'm dealing with another screen memory.

    Later in my adult years, my handlers used a newer technique. I was put in rooms that had full, wall-sized movie screens on both sides and in front of me. I was usually drugged or put in a trance, or both. My handlers made me sit in a stripped-down car that didn't go anywhere, although I could turn the steering wheel and press the pedals. The movies on the screens would change simultaneously, which made me feel as if I were actually driving somewhere. This was probably done to confuse me about where I went during my stateside road trips.

    Another screen memory device was used on a regular basis in a library. It was a large black goggle permanently attached to a machine in which I could watch a video of my choice. These videos worked especially well if my handlers pulled out child parts that couldn't distinguish movies from reality.

    On one occasion, I was put in a fake room atop hydraulic lifts. The fake "windows" inside the room were actually movie screens. The room looked just like the inside of a UFO. Powerful sound equipment was used. Between the equipment moving, the sound of blasting off, and the movies working in sequence in the fake windows, I was supposed to believe I was leaving earth and going into space. Fortunately, I've been able to remember seeing the outside of the fake UFO, and the hydraulic equipment that supported the bottom of it.

    On another occasion, a career politician I knew for a long time took me into a large warehouse that was decorated to look like the inside of a huge UFO. He didn't try to trick me with it; he let me look around as if he was trying to impress me with his genius. I saw tall people dressed in alien costumes; their appearance did scare me a little, but I could tell they were human.

    This space travel theme was used on me again, allegedly at the Lockheed plant in Marietta, Georgia. A large gutted plane sat on the parking area outside a warehouse. I and other people inside it were made to wear costumes that remind me of Star Trek. The other adults acted out their preplanned roles, drawing me into the story. I was made to believe I was a crew member. Again this was done to a part of me that didn't know better, so when I first remembered the experience I believed the whole thing was real."(11)
    Hence this is why so many of these accounts are packed solid with implausible tales of aliens, and time tunnels etc etc, these are just hoaxes that were deliberately created at the same time as the trauma, to discredit the unfortunate victims as they come forward to tell their story. Its easy to see how this happens, after going through all the horrors of bringing back these previously hidden memories the victims are sure that they now have real memories of aliens etc, but what they don't realize is that they have real memories of hoaxed incidents, which it was easy for the programmers to arrange because their victims were so run down by lack of sleep, drugged out etc. (They seem to put a huge amount of effort into these hoaxes, and seem to want to spread them around in the wider population, why it is hard to say but I wonder if these hoaxes are played out in a more dramatic way in future years that there might not be some benefits to the globalist agenda, eg.:
    - If they could stage an 'Independence Day' type alien scenario it might serve to unite world populations against what would be perceived to be their common foe, in the same way that the Greek states used to unite only when the external threat from Persia arose, an excuse then for a world government?
    - If they could claim that advanced technology developed at CERN allowed them to Time Travel then they could control the past, by claiming x or y happened in the past even when it didn't, and as they say he who controls the past controls the future because a distorted picture of the past can impact on how people act going forward.
    Anyway in the meantime these hoaxes do great work discrediting 'conspiracy theorists'!)
    In any case this is very much a feature of eye witness accounts of this type of practice, totally implausible hoaxed information. (Which is not to discount the possibility that in rare cases there is real advanced technology in evidence.) For example Shane Dunphy, in his book 'Hush Little Baby', describes a traumatised character called Clive Plummer trying to defend himself against a Satanic sect in Ireland.(12) He was locked up in a psychiatric ward because all he talked about were 'monsters' who were trying to kill him. Either the preparators wore some kind of masks or makeup to discredit his memories, or they used memory scrambling as described here by Kathleen Sullivan:
    "Memory scrambles aren't the same as screen memories. Scrambles are created by handlers to confuse or disorient the victim, either at the time or when the victim remembers the experience later on. If just one detail of the experience doesn't make sense, the handlers hope that their victim will then discount the entire memory. Or better yet, the victim will talk about the still-scrambled memory to others and will discredit his or her self. I'll give you a couple of examples from my own life.

    Because one of my handlers knew that I adored Robert Redford, he decided to hypnotize me and convince me that he was Redford. Every time I looked at the handler, both at that time and later in memory, I saw Redford's face instead of his. But one time the trance broke and I saw the handler's real face. Redford looks a lot better."(13)

    One final point, that I know sounds weird but has to be said, is that sometimes when this is practised by the occult cults (in the eyewitness accounts you come across intelligence agencies - in the US, UK, Germany and Russia particularly -, the mafia, and then these strange occult type cults, all kind of intermixing (14)) they are reported to try and input demons into their victims - via strange and horrific rituals -, and use them to reinforce the programming. Curiously this sort of demon raising ritual is described in detail in an episode of Dalziel and Pascoe, which also included a victim with a Multiple Personality and the use of stun guns, which I guess is only fiction but is remarkably like some of these cult eyewitness accounts.(15)

    So thats it, I know it all sounds seriously bizarre but I think if you read the various accounts you can see a great consensus as to how this is done, and actually most of it isn't science fiction, these techniques are possible and I think the psychiatric profession accepts that MPD victims could be formed that way. I guess it all depends on how much faith you have in those agencies and governments, they wouldn't do those kind of things would they? Or would they.............lol

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    Footnotes
    1. Sci Digest Excerpt .

    2. Another film worth looking at in this context is 'A Clockwork Orange'. As you can see in this review of the book, by Anthony Burgesss that the film is based on, in the London Independent, it was somehow based on real life:
    CIA mind-control trials revealed as secret inspiration behind 'A Clockwork Orange' - News, Film & TV - The Independent .

    3. "A flashback is a dissociated memory that returns to consciousness. It can be a smell, a taste, a sound, an image, an emotion, or all these things together. It can last a moment or linger on for weeks.

    People describe smelling alcohol or perfume when none is present, hearing a phrase over and over again in their heads, feeling panic or dread for no logical reason, or seeing images, like snapshots or movies behind their eyes. All these are fragmented memories rising up into consciousness. They can be extremely vivid and can appear to be happening in the present. The more fragments come together at the same time, the more intense the flashback.

    Flashbacks are terrifying if you don’t know what they are and if you don’t realize they will eventually stop. Experiencing flashbacks doesn’t mean you are going crazy - it means that you are at a point in your life when you are able to deal with things that you couldn’t cope with earlier. They tend to lose their intensity when you have assembled the fragments into a coherent memory, talked about it, cried about it, and absorbed the memory into your life." (Ritual Abuse FAQ)

    4. Actually the electric shocks, either from dedicated machines attached to genitals etc or portable stun guns and cattle prod devices, can create marks that can identify victims, as described here by one survivor:
    "Now I'll talk about stun guns. I've had many memories that suddenly end just as a handler finishes doing something with me, or I switch and get out of control. I've had other memories that suddenly begin when I find myself inside a building, not knowing how I got there or where I was. These are not blackouts where parts are missing that hold the rest of the information. The memory is completely gone.

    I have many small, circular marks on my arms and other parts of my body that are lacking in pigmentation - they are whiter than the rest of my skin and they shine in the sunlight. Whenever I looked at them I sensed they were from stun gun assaults. I finally got up the nerve to talk to a former police officer who's now a private detective. Without saying what I thought the marks were from, I held out my right arm and showed him the marks. He told me they were from stun guns. I asked him how he knew. He said they were identical to marks created on prisoners' arms after he and other officers used stun guns on them. I still have difficulty looking at my forearms. Every time I do, I feel such pain and anger about what was done to me.

    I don't have another verification for this yet, but one programmer claimed that when a stun gun is held against a muscled area for a certain number of seconds, it can create about ten minutes of memory loss before the application and another ten minutes after. If this is true, then handlers might use stun guns not only to torture and control their victims, but also to wipe out memory of short-term events, like getting out of a car and going inside a building.

    I've collected several different stun guns, to desensitize myself to being around them. A handout came with one of them. It states that an application of over three seconds will "cause loss of balance and muscle control, mental confusion and disorientation." Another manufacturer's website states that if a stun gun is applied for five seconds, the person will feel as if he fell from a second story building onto a concrete sidewalk. I've read where stun guns can make a victim confused and dazed for up to 30 minutes. If all of this is true, then the victim's brain is definitely affected by the electricity. And if the brain is affected, it only makes sense that stun gun applications can affect or even erase memory."
    (Kathleen Sullivan's '01 Conference Presentation)

    5. Sci Digest Excerpt . Some people have found interesting references to research into this area among archived CIA documents, like this from MKULTRA Subproject 136 Proposal, 30 May 1961, 'Experimental Analysis of Extrasensory Perception', approved by the Chief, Technical Services Division/Research Branch, Central Intelligence Agency, 23 August 1961:
    "In working with individual subjects, special attention will be given to dissociative states, which tend to accompany spontaneous ESP experiences. Such states can be induced or controlled to some extent with hypnosis and drugs... The experimenters will be particularly interested in disassociative states, from the abaissment de niveau mental [a state of mind characterised by: "the damage of the logical connection of thoughts; loss of the control of whole regions of mental contents with the production of split fragments of the personality; the invasion of the consciousness on the part of contents usually inhibited conscious functioning and, in consequence, caused inadequate or inappropriate emotional reactions"] to multiple personality in so-called mediums, and an attempt will be made to induce a number of states of this kind, using hypnosis."
    (MKULTRA Hypnosis and Manchurian Candidate Projects)

    6. A survivor called TygerWolf explains here the basic mechanism:
    "A child will use dissociation when they are being emotionally or physically harmed, may fear death will result if the situation continues, and are unable to physically escape the situation. Dissociation is a process in which the person mentally leaves the situation (such as imagining they are elsewhere), loses awareness of the environment or their body (such as no longer being aware of the sensations of pain), or believes that the abuse is happening to someone else (such as seeing the event happening to them as if they were a bystander).

    When the stressful situation is severe, repeated, or perpetrated by someone the child must maintain contact with, the dissociation becomes stronger. The child may try to forget the event and contain the memories in a mental lock-box, in order to keep relating to the perpetrator as needed (such as to act normal around the parent in order to continue getting love, food, shelter, and other basic needs).

    For some children the abuse is very intense, often repeated, may involve more than one perpetrator, and may result in the creation of Multiple Personality Disorder. Some researchers believe that a high level of intelligence and creativity increase the chances that MPD will form. The brain of a very young child is also forming neural pathways, setting up long-standing habits and personality traits, and mapping a great deal of information for life-long use. These combined factors (stress, abilities, age) allow some people to create alternate personalities: other people who share the same body but can have different emotions, thoughts, skills, interests, etc. For these children it becomes life-saving to have another part of their brain become a different person, who can experience the abuse, contain the memories, have strained or severed relationships with the perpetrator, and hold the distress while the other child continues the needed relationship with the perpetrator. As the child grows they may continue to make alters to deal with abuse, stressful situations, life challenges, isolation/loneliness, fear, and other obstacles in their life.

    Based on the different life stressors, the child may form alternate personalities (usually called alters) who are needed frequently. These alters start to have their own identity, history, skills, interests, and other identifying features. Sometimes a fragment personality is created to deal with one specific event and will not develop many identifying features seen with alters because they have very little interaction with the external and internal world."
    (MPD/DID - Education: How MPD Works: An Inside View)

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    7. This is further described here:
    "What is Multiplicity?
    In some children, the mental fragments are organized or arranged into “personalities” which seem to have a history and a life of their own. Often the personalities are so separated that they are not aware of each other’s existence. This is called an amnesic barrier.

    Imagine a child with a mother who is loving one moment and cruel and sadistic the next. The child will obviously react differently, depending on the mother’s mood. The child will learn different ways of responding to the “good” mother and the “bad” mother. All children do this to some extent because no adult is perfectly consistent.

    Now imagine that the child is so stressed out that memories of interactions with the “bad” mother are dissociated. When the “good” mother is around, the child has no knowledge of the “bad” mother, or of the “bad” child. But as soon as the mother turns nasty, the child switches, and knows exactly how to react. That’s multiplicity.

    What is an Alter?
    An alter is one personality of a person with multiplicity. The personality who is “out” most of the time is often called the host personality, and personalities seen less frequently are called alternative personalities, or alters. Some people have only one or two alters, others have hundreds or even thousands.

    Some people with multiplicity experience each alter as a separate person. Others experience them as different from their usual self, but not as different people. Multiplicity is not exactly the same from person to person and each person’s experience of their inner reality is unique.

    Often alters have names, have a distinct age, and have specific jobs to do. One may be in charge of feeling anger, another of going to school or work, another may be the one who decides which alter gets to be in control of the body at any given time. Alters may have a different gender from the body or a different sexual orientation from the host. There may even be alters who are animals, objects, or abstract ideas. Sometimes people have alters who are experienced as being dead or immortal.

    The formation of alters is a natural psychological process, given extreme early childhood stress. Abusive adults who are aware of the process can manipulate and train the emerging personalities to their own ends. Some survivors of ritual abuse have alters trained by their abusers to do certain tasks and to behave in ways desired by the abusers. And some survivors have alters organized in elaborate patterns designed by the perpetrators, with strict rules about how the alters communicate with each other."
    (Ritual Abuse FAQ)

    Another reference that describes this:
    "Our instinctive reactions to an assault are fight or flight. However, neither works when children are abused by sadistic adults. The only option left is to freeze, and take flight through the mind. A common initial coping mechanism is to escape the body. It is the beginning of clinical (amnestic) dissociation, which allows a shutting out of an unbearable reality. It is held unassimilated---in effect, frozen in time....In some cases the dissociated aspects of self, immediately or over time, form their own and separate sense of self.

    A dissociated identity, like a dissociated experience, can hold the entire event or parts of it. .....One hundred abusive/traumatic incidents may be held by one identity or by one hundred or more identities. It may be helpful to think of each identity as holding an abusive experience. In this context, taken together, the identities hold a person's overwhelming traumas and express a survivor's entire life story.

    When the abuse is over, the original self "returns" and resumes "normal" life, having no/little awareness of what has just transpired. If severely abused children were forced to experience the trauma they just lived through, they would probably NOT survive.

    Some children maintain a complete split between their everyday life and the abusive episodes. They may be seen smiling when posing for family photographs. Perpetrators often use such photographs to prove there is nothing bad going on.

    As abused children grow, their problems typically begin to mount. The load on their unconscious becomes increasingly great, and they feel overwhelmed. As some identities stay out more and more, they may begin to take over and operate in the child's day-to-day world. If the abuse continues or increases, the original self may stay out less and less and, in time, stop coming out at all. The survivor is then functioning through identities who "switch" to cope with day-to-day life.
    ......
    Each identity within the same person may have unique neurological and physiological responses. For example, some identities may require glasses, while others have perfect vision: some identities are allergic to smoke, while others may be chain smokers: some identities are almost deaf, while others have exceptionally good hearing: different alters within one person will register unique electroencephalogram, electrocardiograph, blood pressure, and pulse readings. Alters may have different allergies and different ailments and unique responses to medications. One identity may be diagnosed with an ailment, but a different identity may be "out" when the medication is taken. In this case, the original alter isn't helped, and the receiving alter may have unfavorable side effects. Prescribing medication to survivors who are multiple should be done with special care and extra monitoring."
    (Dissociation)

    On the mechanics of personality switching:
    "The therapist needs to become acquainted with detecting alter switches. This involves eye shape changes, eye color changes, eye movement changes, blinks, body posture changes, voice pitch changes, word usage changes, perception and value changes, mood changes, etc. Upon detection of this, the therapist may gently ask, "Do you ever feel that there is another part of yourself that comes out and does things that you would not do?" "Do you ever feel that when you are alone, someone else or some other part of you is watching you?" Any answer except a definite "no" is a red flag, that reconfirms the switching clues, and other clues that the therapist has assembled. Not all victims of mind-control have extensive alter systems. In our previous books, we have covered situations when this does not occur. Another way that therapists can determine mind-control would be to interview people close to the victim, and to visit the victim’s work place and home. Some victims of mind-control surround themselves with objects that pertain to their programming. For instance, the therapist may find a man who has a passion for Mickey Mouse objects, or a woman who loves white rabbit figurines or star trek objects."
    (Cisco Wheeler at http://www.angelfire.com/d20/01/deeper2.txt)

    8. Described here by a programmer:
    "...trainers will try to create internal structures within the person's personality systems. Why? They believe this creates better stability. It also gives the alters and fragments a place to "hang on to" inside, and creates a convenient way to call them up.
    ...
    These are some common programming structures. Again, there are many, many other types of internal structures used and the number and type are only limited by the trainer's and survivor's creative abilities. The way that these structures are placed within the person are fairly similar. Under drugs, hypnosis and electroshock, the person is traumatized into a deep trance state. In the deep trance they will be told to open their eyes and look at: either a projected image of the structure, a 3D model of it, or a holographic image using a virtual reality headset. The image will be ground in, using shock and bringing the image closer and closer to the person's visual field. It may be rotated, if graphics are available, or a 3D is used. They may be told that they are entering inside it, if it is a temple or pyramid, under deep hypnosis, that they (the alter being programmed) will now "live inside" the structure/box/card, etc. This will also be used to reinforce amnesia and isolation programming internally, since the structure will be used to reinforce walls between the alter/ fragment and other alters and fragments internally."
    (Chapter 10 at The Illuminat: How The Cults Program People, by Svali: Index)

    Ron Patton describes further some of these virtual worlds:
    "One of the main internal structures, (of which their are many) within the system is shaped like a double-helix, consisting of seven levels. Each system has an internal programmer which oversees the “gatekeeper” (demons?) who grant or deny entry into the different rooms. A few of the internal images predominately seen by victims/survivors are trees, the Cabalistic “Tree of Life,” with adjoining root systems, infinity loops, ancient symbols and letters, spider webs, mirrors or glass shattering, masks, castles, mazes, demons/monsters/aliens, sea shells, butterflies, snakes, ribbons, bows, flowers, hour glasses, clocks, robots, chain-of-command diagrams and/or schematics of computer circuitry boards."
    (Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control by Ron Patton)

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    9. "These folk-tales are also extremely dark.
    ....
    But psychologists and child protection experts have long seen the value of the older, more sinister fables. As I sat in the cramped library, under the slanted eave of the roof, I leafed through a book by the great, though disgraced, psychologist Bruno Bettelheim.
    ...
    However, I must admit to a lasting affection (and yes, a certain amount of pity) for Bruno Bettelheim, or Dr B as he came to be called by his posthumous biographers. It seems that he saw the horror of the war as an opportunity to reinvent himself, to rebuild a shattered life, to rise phoenix-like from the ashes of a charred Europe. Isn't that a wonderful symbol for what social-care is really all about: glorious rebirth?

    "The Uses of Enchantment" is Bettelheim's book on storytelling as a therapeutic tool. I read it when I was a student and I remember being struck by the concept that things as seemingly innocuous as stories could be used to heal children of deep emotional wounds. According to the book, fairy-tales contain subconcious symbols, archetypal images that we all respond to without even knowing it."
    (Shane Dunphy, "Last Ditch House" (Dublin, 2007), p.113-115.)

    10. The way that the film's plot is woven to enhance the programming is described by Cathy O'Brien here:
    "Much of The Wizard Of Oz lends itself to themes commonly used by perpetrators. For example, nearly all MPD/DIDs have suffered the loss of pets during ritualized torture. And all of Baum’s primary character Dorothy’s nightmarish experiences "over the rainbow in Oz" stemmed from her desire to risk her own life to protect her threatened pet. Abusers use this lesson to condition the victim to drop all resistance and cooperate or "I’ll get you, my pretty, and your little dog (or child) too."
    The "over the rainbow" scramble of dreams vs. reality provides abusers a theme by which to manipulate an MPD’s subconscious perception of switching personalities. Oftentimes this theme is transdimensional as is Oz, or that which was just experienced was "just a bad dream" like Dorothy was told upon her awakening in her own bed back in Kansas."
    (Cathy O'Brien and Mark Philips, Transformation of America (1995) Chapter 6 at: Mind Control)

    Another description of this process:
    "Next, the people in the child’s life who are guiding the programming will tell the child programming stories, such as the Wizard of Oz stories and Alice In Wonderland. In the 50’s and 60’s, the Tall Book of Make Believe was popular. For instance the character Mr. Moon became a foundational part of the programming. Over the years the Wizard of Oz, Alice In Wonderland, and Mother Goose seem to have been overall favorites. The child will most often be in a trance state when these story lines are told. The children will have the stories repeated and they are expected to memorize these scripts. Because the programmers will build upon the child’s awareness of these stories, the stories are modified to better fit the future programming. For instance, if a programming team is going to use the Goldilocks and the 3 Bears story, they might modify the story like this: The 3 bears and Goldilocks went for a walk. Goldilocks was somewhere she shouldn’t have been, so she was eaten up by the bears. Bears will eat you up. Policemen are like bears. A Policeman found her? Do you know what happened to her? Goldilocks got locked up and put in a cage. Or maybe they might say, Goldilocks was sitting where she wasn’t supposed to.-- At that moment the chair is pulled out from underneath the child and the child is probed with a stun gun."
    (Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, Deeper Insights ... (1997), p.261: Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula)

    11. Kathleen Sullivan's '01 Conference Presentation . More from this source: "Dad especially liked using what he called acted-out scenarios to develop screen memories in victims. Acted-out scenarios were created by people who pretended to be someone or somewhere they were not. Sometimes real Hollywood actors and actresses were paid to participate. This was done to trick and confuse the minds of victims, who were often drugged or hypnotized or both. Dad favored acted-out scenarios as opposed to using movies and videos to create screen memories. I heard him argue more than once that the more senses the handlers and programmers could engage in the victim, the harder it would be for the victim to believe that the screen memory wasn't a real event."

    12. Shane Dunphy, the Irish Independent writer and child protection worker, "Hush, Little Baby" (Dublin, 2008), p.251, a character called Clive Plummer. Although it is fiction he makes it quite clear in his books that he is drawing on real cases that he came across while working in child protection in Ireland.

    13. Kathleen Sullivan's '01 Conference Presentation .

    14. You can read the various eyewitness accounts at these links:
    Brice Taylor, Thanks for the Memories (1999): http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-boo...heMemories.pdf ,
    Cathy O'Brien and Mark Philips, Transformation of America (1995): Mind Control ,
    James Casbolt, Agent Buried Alive: James Casbolt.com - Tearing Down the Strongholds of the New World Order ,
    Carol Rutz, A Nation betrayed: Book Review: A Nation Betrayed, by Carol Rutz ,
    Laura Landsberg Hanning, Study of Evil: A World Reappraised :
    Study of Evil - A World Reappraised ,
    Svali: The Illuminat: How The Cults Program People, by Svali: Index ,
    GaryP: One Survivor - Home/Index ,
    Mrs James Card: HELP! My Friend Has Multiple Personalities ,
    Robert Duncan O'Finioan WinterSteel.Com - Robert Duncan O'Finioan ,
    David Marr: My Testimony ,
    TygerWolf: MPD/DID - Education: How MPD Works: An Inside View ,
    Donna: Donna's Domain ,
    Kathleen Sullivan: Kathleen Sullivan's '01 Conference Presentation ,
    Ron Patton: Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control by Ron Patton ,
    BlueAngel: MKULTRA/PROJECT MONARCH - Club Conspiracy Forums ,
    See also a lecture by Dr. Corydon Hammond of the University of Utah at a Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), Thursday June 25, 1992:
    Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse -----D. Corydon Hammond, Ph.D. (The Greenbaum Speech by D.C. Hammond) ,
    Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, "Formula Used to Create Undetectable Total Mind-Controlled Slave" (1996): Mind Control, The Ultimate Terror ,
    Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler, "Deeper Insights ..." (1997): educateyourself.org [4] ,
    (The two Springmeier books are hugely more complicated than the others, but well worth reading if you can follow them. Btw I am obviously not in a position to vouch for all that is written in these books, there are of course details that I don't believe or don't agree with, but nearly all of them describe the basic model of how MPD can be deliberately created.)

    15. Dalziel and Pascoe, Season 12, Episodes 1 and 2, "Demons on our Shoulders" starring Richard E. Grant, first aired 6th and 13th of May 2007.

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    Look. Hypnosis can do many things. It can stuff that the general public doesnt know about, but it also cant brain wash people at masses.

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    I agree its possible to partly brainwash the 'masses' or whole nations alright, as you can see from the writings of people like the former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov. According to him one of the best ways to do it is via word substitution:
    "The most efficient methods of demoralization is semantic manipulation of population, or word pollution, whereby the normal true meaning of the words and traditionally accepted meanings are being gradually replaced by Orwellian type surrogates, partly or totally opposite to the reality."(1)
    Btw when he says 'demoralization' he is referring to a process of stripping out moral guidelines from the population, by abolishing church influence etc, because according to him that is the best way to brainwash the masses. Anyway its fascinating to see that in action in Ireland today, I can think of two examples:

    a) The normal legal terminology for what will now be attached to the Lisbon Treaty are of course Declarations but the govt is now trying to call them 'Legally Binding Guarantees' or just 'Legal Guarantees' and this is spreading all across the media and society as the new official proper term. In fact in the Dáil a few days ago Minister Martin read the riot act to Caoimhaoin O'Caolain because he dared to call them declarations. Once people start using that term it will subliminally influence them as you can see if you looked at a hypothetical interview like:
    "Minister do you think that the Legally Binding Guarantees go far enough, or too far for some in the Labour Movement etc?
    Well I think the govt needed to address the concerns of the No camp and we have done so by providing for the first time these Legally Binding Guarantees.....While I know the UK govt has concerns about the effect of the Legal Binding Guarantees on their ratification process, still I think those problems can be ironed out etc etc...."
    Notice how the last two issues also create the impression that the 'guarantees' are legally worth something (which they aren't, the truthful title should be 'Legally non Binding useless Guarantees!), no doubt these are completely artificial arguments dreamt up to have exactly that effect on Irish opinion. As long as the debate talks about 'guarantees' you are half way to brainwashing the population without actually saying anything of substance (they haven't even released the text of them yet.) No doubt this is all thought out in advance by the same kind of people who use the hypnosis described above and btw I notice that Minister Martin, and many of the other govt ministers, are making mysterious trips to the NASA facilities in Florida, one of the places where the above type of hypnosis and multiple personality creation takes place.(2)

    b) I would say that the phrase 'New Irish', popularised by people like Archbishop Martin, is another example. As I see it anyway its one of the aims of the globalists to try and diminish the sense of solidarity and proud nationalism in nation states, because this dulls the intellect of people when they ought to be standing up for their nation when it is being bullied by international organisations. You see before the immigration flow, and before phrases like the above, to be Irish meant a very specific and proud thing to Irish people. In a cruel world it provided a kind of blanket around Irish people, who could be collectively proud of their history etc and feel a sense of belonging to other Irish people, and could be relied upon to stand up together and defend our country if it was being bullied by outsiders. Now with the immigration flow, and particularly with the above phrase, we are being asked to spread the blanket around people who are obviously different from us. They don't speak the same language, are obviously of a different ethnicity, colour, etc etc, but yet we are told that they are as Irish as the rest of us. This then serves to confuse us, and in practice weakens our sense of nationality and in time our patriotism, because it begs the question of what it is to be Irish at all, if you feel that the country and 'Irishness' has nothing special or unique about it then why not be ruled from abroad? I am convinced the globalists have thought this thing through and are doing this deliberately, firstly they encourage the immigration inflow and then they demand that Irish people look upon the immigrants as the same as us, using word substitution, like 'new Irish' instead of 'aliens' or 'foreigners', to achieve this end. Look at the actions of Peter Sutherland, a leading globalist, for example. It was reported in the Seanad in 2005 that he was urging the Irish govt. to double the rate of immigration, then having achieved that he comes out with these mysterious statements, which sound like waffle but I think mean what is described here:
    "We have to learn that our identity has to be adapted to recognize that we are becoming, and will be, a society with others in it. It is a big challenge...We have a challenge to change people's mentality." (3)
    You see its well thought out, nationalism is the real enemy of the globalists. Look at it this way, look at Europe in 1940 when the last attempt was made to set up a pan European govt under the Nazis. They succeed in bullying quite a few countries, intimidating places like Czechoslovakia, telling them that it was impractical for them to stand up to the large powers (and exploiting the fact that that state had a separate race within its borders, always a good way to destroy a country is to split it along that faultline). They were only opposed where they came across people with a strong, and self confident, sense of their own nationality such as, to be fair, the UK with their Blitz spirit etc and even the French as can be seen in films like Casablanca. Obviously that film is quite contemporary with these events and you can see when the French people stand up and sing the Marseillaise the sort of spirit of nationalism that can rise up and oppose dictatorship etc. But imagine if that was now in Ireland? Would people react like that? Isn't it clear that the immigration inflow and the confusion caused by phrases like 'new Irish' has dulled that kind of feeling, and makes it easier for us to be bullied by the likes of the EU?

    Clever people these globalists!lol

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    Interesting what you said about 'legally binding gaurantees' as one of the panelists in last weeks Q&A said this but Bowman didn't pull her up on it.

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    You could defend yourself against them if you had some sort of protective covering for your cranium. It would have to be metallic, but light and flexible.
    If there is a future, it will be Green.

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