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whats up?
why have we not been told that this is a vindication (he LOVES that word) of the sinn fein peace strategy ........
come on factual. we're all waiting.
where's factual?
whats up?
why have we not been told that this is a vindication (he LOVES that word) of the sinn fein peace strategy ........
come on factual. we're all waiting.
The point is minor fluctuations in the polls don't' solve the underlying problems keeping FG from government.Is there a point in that post..... anywhere?
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[quote=foxrockman]Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster
The effect of the recession on people's lives is only starting to kick in, and has a lot more kicking to go. Furthermore, governments tend to improve support during the summer recess, as they have much more control of their media exposure, while opposition parties don't have the oxygen of the Dail sitting to get their stories into the news. Also, what's gonna be a tough budget hasn't even happened yet. FF will fall further.Yep, pretty much. I dont think anyone should pay these mid-term polls much attention unless they show major shifts. But to be at 36% during a recession and when the new Taoiseach has done little to catch the public attention is a pretty healthy position for FF to be in
I have never heard so much nonsense in a long time , do you know anything about politics ?? stop fooling yourself this poll is a disaster for FG only up 3 . The PDs who are finished are up 1 and you want to believe that the second largest party is doing well when they rise 3 in a recession . Cop on and start facing reality .
FG should be up at least 7 points min if the people had any faith in it's leadership they would be up 11 .[/quote:1gxr4h6i]
I'm not even gonna distinguish that nonsense by addressing any of it.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
No, you can't really compare the two countries in that regard. Ireland's voting system is far more complicated than the FPTP system in the UK, where they don't have to factor in issues like transfers, who'll coalesce with whom, and how many seats each percentage is worth. However, its worth pointing out that IF FF polled 36% and FG 28% in an election, FF would lose plenty of seats, while FG would hold what they have and maybe gain a couple more. Given that we came within 3 seats of an FG-Labour-Green government last time, such a possibility would become very likely, should those figures be repeated.Maybe they will. But big deal. FF have been a lot lower in the past, and have come back up at election time. They will improve before the next election too, as all incumbents do. FG would want to be pretty much neck-and-neck with FF (at a guess) at this point to be confident of taking power next time. The polls in the UK indicate change of government is likely in that country. This poll suggests no such change here
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
[quote=hiding behind a poster]No, you can't really compare the two countries in that regard. Ireland's voting system is far more complicated than the FPTP system in the UK, where they don't have to factor in issues like transfers, who'll coalesce with whom, and how many seats each percentage is worth. However, its worth pointing out that IF FF polled 36% and FG 28% in an election, FF would lose plenty of seats, while FG would hold what they have and maybe gain a couple more. Given that we came within 3 seats of an FG-Labour-Green government last time, such a possibility would become very likely, should those figures be repeated.[/quote:31s1eq98]Maybe they will. But big deal. FF have been a lot lower in the past, and have come back up at election time. They will improve before the next election too, as all incumbents do. FG would want to be pretty much neck-and-neck with FF (at a guess) at this point to be confident of taking power next time. The polls in the UK indicate change of government is likely in that country. This poll suggests no such change here
I accept what you say to an extent. Certainly, the UK and here is not directly comparable. However, my point is that polls there consistently show the Tories well ahead and Labour struggling, and that therefore, even though most people expect Labour to close the gap once the campaign begins, it still seems likely that the Conservatives will win. There is no such evidence here. While it's probably true that if FF got 36% they would lose the election, it is highly unlikely that if an election was called tomorrow, that FF's ratings would stay at that low level. Historically, the incumbent party slumps mid-term and then recovers, even if it's a particularly unpopular government. FF will have to fall a lot lower, and FG will have to rise a lot higher, before FGers can say with any certainty that they are confident of winning an election. Surely the period from 2002 to 2007 has taught FG that.
What it does appear to show is that people dont see the left as their salvation from crony capitalism and dublin 4 liberalism(of the type that lauds mass immigration so long as they flood working class areas).
Perhaps as the Lisbon treaty has shown ,a return to nationalism and protecting the sovereignty of Irish citizens against the vagaries of globalisation,crony capitalism and the nefarious effects of the EU will be the political centre ground as opposed to any right/ left battle.
which when you think about it is a worrying thought, just think of what could be achieved if people didn't vote based on history / family party loyality / local personalities and actually voted for party's based on a combination of policies and achievements.......
Enda Kenny on FF government: “We’re in this mess, not because Fianna Fáil policies have failed, but because they have succeeded.”
it looks like F.F. have peaked
[quote=R Paul]Maybe the PDs should hold off on winding the party up! That would appear to be higher than in the last couple of opinion polls.[/quote:175x8536]
My Questions is that when will the next general election be for us to sign the unfinished contract again ?
Is that the reasons why we saw the former chairman this morning ?
L.o.l
"We"? Were you not a fervent PeeDee until just over a year ago?
To be fair, even though FF got you, FG look to have a chance of picking up FutureTaoiseach, so honours would be even politically.
Is Factual (a misnomer if ever there was one) not a she?
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