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    good idea, bad idea

    the great thing about having an idea is it can change at anytime no need for killing or the like, just blink and its changed

    very simple solution to the oil crisis in ireland, force car companies to sell 100% electric cars. the technology is there. Not a complete switch but put in place targets for them. Say 10% of a manufacture's new cars for sale in ireland begining 1st jan 2009 have to be 100% electric. 20% by 2010, 50% by 2011 and 100% by 2012. if not they will not be allowed to sell cars in ireland.

    we have for too long accepted that the government will not do anything about the things that they are there to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crocked
    the great thing about having an idea is it can change at anytime no need for killing or the like, just blink and its changed

    very simple solution to the oil crisis in ireland, force car companies to sell 100% electric cars. the technology is there. Not a complete switch but put in place targets for them. Say 10% of a manufacture's new cars for sale in ireland begining 1st jan 2009 have to be 100% electric. 20% by 2010, 50% by 2011 and 100% by 2012. if not they will not be allowed to sell cars in ireland.

    we have for too long accepted that the government will not do anything about the things that they are there to do...
    That makes too much sense, and think of all the "lost revenue" from dropping petrol/diesel sales with electric cars. Heck, I couldn't even get an insurance quote for an electric car last year. If the car in question now isn't a recognised design from the usual manufacturers, it doesn't get a quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crocked
    the great thing about having an idea is it can change at anytime no need for killing or the like, just blink and its changed

    very simple solution to the oil crisis in ireland, force car companies to sell 100% electric cars. the technology is there. Not a complete switch but put in place targets for them. Say 10% of a manufacture's new cars for sale in ireland begining 1st jan 2009 have to be 100% electric. 20% by 2010, 50% by 2011 and 100% by 2012. if not they will not be allowed to sell cars in ireland.

    we have for too long accepted that the government will not do anything about the things that they are there to do...

    the current crisis has nothing to do with the supply of oil , which is plentiful . Its about US speculatrs trying to recoup massive losses by excessively investing in oil futures which is driving the price sky high artificially

    if they decide to invest in electric cars too the same thing will happen and we'll have an electric car crisis too

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    everyone keeps getting caught up in the financial crisis... its not about money, it should never be, its about what is best for everyone, not a few

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    I would agree but unfortunately not everyone things like us.
    It's all about the cost.
    the price of the old electric tracks the price of gas. 50% of our electricity is generated using gas and another 10% using oil. So effectively 60% of the wholesale price of electricity tracks oil.
    Unless the capital cost of electric cars and vans comes down they wont shift.
    The battery technology needs to improve also.
    I believe that we will see an exponential curve of electric car sales once everything is lined up.
    If you have an hour commute to work and an hour out again an electric car will do fine.
    You can keep the old dinosaur burner for the weekend long hauls then.
    We could be waiting 100 years for a decent public transport system.

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    Re: good idea, bad idea

    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    Quote Originally Posted by crocked
    the great thing about having an idea is it can change at anytime no need for killing or the like, just blink and its changed

    very simple solution to the oil crisis in ireland, force car companies to sell 100% electric cars. the technology is there. Not a complete switch but put in place targets for them. Say 10% of a manufacture's new cars for sale in ireland begining 1st jan 2009 have to be 100% electric. 20% by 2010, 50% by 2011 and 100% by 2012. if not they will not be allowed to sell cars in ireland.

    we have for too long accepted that the government will not do anything about the things that they are there to do...

    the current crisis has nothing to do with the supply of oil , which is plentiful . Its about US speculatrs trying to recoup massive losses by excessively investing in oil futures which is driving the price sky high artificially

    if they decide to invest in electric cars too the same thing will happen and we'll have an electric car crisis too

    Totally agree with statement that speculators are behind this artificial crisis. Also, where do we get the energy to recharge all these electric cars. They are more efficient, but at the end of the day they are driven by oil, even if it is burnt elsewhere. Even if we were to put a windmill on top of every house in Ireland we couldn`t generate enough energy to cope with our regular use, never mind having to power all these cars as well. Nuclear anyone???

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    Quote Originally Posted by katy brock
    Even if we were to put a windmill on top of every house.....
    Who said anything about making flour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crocked
    everyone keeps getting caught up in the financial crisis... its not about money, it should never be, its about what is best for everyone, not a few
    I feel for you, I really do.

    I gave up on humanity a long time ago. I suggest you do the same.

    Its a lot less stressful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeSpy
    Quote Originally Posted by katy brock
    Even if we were to put a windmill on top of every house.....
    Who said anything about making flour?
    Good one. What about "flower power". I dig it man...groovy

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    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard
    the current crisis has nothing to do with the supply of oil , which is plentiful . Its about US speculatrs trying to recoup massive losses by excessively investing in oil futures which is driving the price sky high artificially

    I don't follow this stuff, but I've seen this being said a few times in recent weeks. I read one report that there's so much excess oil in the Gulf that they've run out of storage facilities for it all and are having to temporarily load it into tankers and just park them in the harbour till orders come in.

    Also, I believe spot prices are way, way out of whack with the market price. Again, I don't know if this is true, but it seems to me that if the spot price is way below the market price this is a sure sign of a speculative bubble.

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