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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Ceartais/
Go Raibh Mhaith Agaibh,
Ceartais......
Comrades;
Could you please sign the above petition @
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Ceartais/
Go Raibh Mhaith Agaibh,
Ceartais......
Done.
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OK, so a weapon they used may have caused long term damage. That along with causing short term(including fatal) damage is what weapons do, the IRA should know all about that. Take it on the chin, a reminder of all the hardship you went through and stop all this whining. Be strong and brave like proper Irishmen.it was all-out war with no quarter given.
[COLOR="Red"]A CHILD OF FIVE WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS. SEND SOMEONE TO FETCH A CHILD OF FIVE.[/COLOR]
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Take it on the chin my arse. If your children were affected by this stuff would you. Forget about getting the boy Mark to face justice his mothyer would be a better target for extraordinary rendition or whatever you call it.Originally Posted by Aggressor
[FONT="]"You Popish rogue" 'ní leomhaid a labhairt sinn
acht "Cromwellian dog" is focal faire againn
nó "cia súd thall" go eann gan eagla
"Mise Tadhg" géadh teinn an t-agallamh
Bodaigh an Cháise táid go hatuireach
ag filleadh ar a gcéird gach spéice smeartha aca
gan ghunna, gan chloidheamh gan pinnse chleachtadar
d'imthigh a mbrígh is tá an cridhe dá ghreada aca.[/FONT]
No. Sorry, but men who take up arms and claim to be an army have lost the right to be treated like innocent bystanders. If Republicans stop referrig to the Provisional IRA as 'The Army, then I will sign, until then it is not right to claim they are otherwise or treat men who idendtify themeslves as soldiers as simpering victims.
A word of advise, nothing kills a soldier quicker than pity, and any prepared to accept it were never soldiers in the first place.
Are you serious? Nothing kills a soldier quicker than pity? I bet a bullet between the eyes would do a better job. You are a nut case.No. Sorry, but men who take up arms and claim to be an army have lost the right to be treated like innocent bystanders. If Republicans stop referrig to the Provisional IRA as 'The Army, then I will sign, until then it is not right to claim they are otherwise or treat men who idendtify themeslves as soldiers as simpering victims.
A word of advise, nothing kills a soldier quicker than pity, and any prepared to accept it were never soldiers in the first place.
[FONT="]"You Popish rogue" 'ní leomhaid a labhairt sinn
acht "Cromwellian dog" is focal faire againn
nó "cia súd thall" go eann gan eagla
"Mise Tadhg" géadh teinn an t-agallamh
Bodaigh an Cháise táid go hatuireach
ag filleadh ar a gcéird gach spéice smeartha aca
gan ghunna, gan chloidheamh gan pinnse chleachtadar
d'imthigh a mbrígh is tá an cridhe dá ghreada aca.[/FONT]
So over 800 Irish citizens and Political Prisoners, most of whom are held in a prison camp without trial or even a Court appearance are exposed to an illegal and unlawful chemical gas attack by an occupying army on the island of Ireland!No. Sorry, but men who take up arms and claim to be an army have lost the right to be treated like innocent bystanders. If Republicans stop referrig to the Provisional IRA as 'The Army, then I will sign, until then it is not right to claim they are otherwise or treat men who idendtify themeslves as soldiers as simpering victims.
A word of advise, nothing kills a soldier quicker than pity, and any prepared to accept it were never soldiers in the first place.
And your answer to a petition, is to say NO?
Your excuse, sad as it is for not signing is that; "these men took up arms and claimed to be an army". So, I guess you voted no for the GFA in 1998? Maybe because, Republicans were not worthy.....
May I ask, what did U do to stop the seemingly endless conflict? When was the last time did U visit Belfast?
Did U not attend the state funerals of Volunteer. Kevin Barry and the other nine Republican Prisoners who were murdered by Britain?
Your being a bit hastly there and mixing things up. I voted yes to the GFA and over 94% of those who participated in the referendum did also. No one has to explain their vote to you and anyone else so don't act like we do. In doing so the Republic of Ireland endorsed the principle of consent and also regconised jurisdiction boundry between the 6 counties and the Republic, so 'occupation' is no longer a vaild description of the British Army presence in the North. The terms of referance under which the 6 counties is discussed now were negioated and agreed by all parites including PSF and the IRA Army council. So you are the one out of step.
I and a great many others also do not accept Provisional Sinn Feins claim to be the direct decendant of the Sinn Fein that helped found the state. So we do not take into account the claims of legitimacy that those currently using the name Sinn Fein bestrow upon themselves. Its all very good at a republican rally for the faithful, but not even PSF will bang a drum too loudly about its claims publically. They would only invite scorn, and they know it. It is and remains to many a mostly northern (and hence for the moment foreign) party. The last election did much to reinforce that view in the Republic.
Secondly, it is always the case that political movements will try to capitolise on the sacrafices of those who have served them, after the fact. Time and again this is done, and by capitolise I mean ruthlessly using those who have already done their bit. This petition is no exception. A soldier is a soldier first and a citizen second, hence the Geneva convention exists to clearly mark that deliniation. That brings us back to the question of Jurisdiction. Because not only have we (the Republic of Ireland) seperated what terms British and Irish jurisdiction, but Sinn Fein itself through its insistance on defining the IRA as an actual army, have brought the UN into play on issues of 'Prisoners of War'.
Sinn Fein is seeking to have all the benefits of having an army, including the kudos, but absolutly none of the responsibility, except that which might continue ot win them votes or keep the party faithful happy. We might open another topic on what exactly are the responsibilities of Sinn Fein with regard to those who signed up and fought for their cause. I would imagine that Sinn Feins reluctance to regularise the status of the rank and file of the Provisional IRA (perhaps the ultimate and only real recognistion needed) is not done because the Political desk jockeys who are now in well paid jobs with perks do not want to see the Geneva Convention extended to their behaviour in the past. So ultimitly if there is betrayal of those who served it is coming from Provisional Sinn Fein.
If you want to lobby the UN to examine the subject at hand, then go ahead, I might actually sign your petition. But until then I will not hand an endorsement to speak on real activitists behalf over to those who did bugger all.
The true cost of war is never realised because it is hidden being the dignity of those who have suffered loss, trauma and anguish and continue to do so long after the last bullet is fired. Your attempt to drag a selective section of those who suffered into daylight to fleece their hard earned credability for someone elses political ends or use as part of asymmetrical warfare, post GFA, is not only sad but morally questionable.
A word to the wise Conuil, I am born and Irishman, and am a patriot and a Republican because of my loyalty to the Republic and its ideals. I extend that patriotism to all areas of my civic life and how I conduct myself therein. I do not brook questioning of my patriotism and I sure as f**k don't stand for others attempting to define the parametres or veracity of my loyalty to my country. Tread carefully.
Your being a bit hastly there and mixing things up. I voted yes to the GFA and over 94% of those who participated in the referendum did also. No one has to explain their vote to you and anyone else so don't act like we do. In doing so the Republic of Ireland endorsed the principle of consent and also regconised jurisdiction boundry between the 6 counties and the Republic, so 'occupation' is no longer a vaild description of the British Army presence in the North. The terms of referance under which the 6 counties is discussed now were negioated and agreed by all parites including PSF and the IRA Army council. So you are the one out of step.
I and a great many others also do not accept Provisional Sinn Feins claim to be the direct decendant of the Sinn Fein that helped found the state. So we do not take into account the claims of legitimacy that those currently using the name Sinn Fein bestrow upon themselves. Its all very good at a republican rally for the faithful, but not even PSF will bang a drum too loudly about its claims publically. They would only invite scorn, and they know it. It is and remains to many a mostly northern (and hence for the moment foreign) party. The last election did much to reinforce that view in the Republic.
Secondly, it is always the case that political movements will try to capitolise on the sacrafices of those who have served them, after the fact. Time and again this is done, and by capitolise I mean ruthlessly using those who have already done their bit. This petition is no exception. A soldier is a soldier first and a citizen second, hence the Geneva convention exists to clearly mark that deliniation. That brings us back to the question of Jurisdiction. Because not only have we (the Republic of Ireland) seperated what terms British and Irish jurisdiction, but Sinn Fein itself through its insistance on defining the IRA as an actual army, have brought the UN into play on issues of 'Prisoners of War'.
Sinn Fein is seeking to have all the benefits of having an army, including the kudos, but absolutly none of the responsibility, except that which might continue ot win them votes or keep the party faithful happy. We might open another topic on what exactly are the responsibilities of Sinn Fein with regard to those who signed up and fought for their cause. I would imagine that Sinn Feins reluctance to regularise the status of the rank and file of the Provisional IRA (perhaps the ultimate and only real recognistion needed) is not done because the Political desk jockeys who are now in well paid jobs with perks do not want to see the Geneva Convention extended to their behaviour in the past. So ultimitly if there is betrayal of those who served it is coming from Provisional Sinn Fein.
If you want to lobby the UN to examine the subject at hand, then go ahead, I might actually sign your petition. But until then I will not hand an endorsement to speak on real activitists behalf over to those who did bugger all.
The true cost of war is never realised because it is hidden being the dignity of those who have suffered loss, trauma and anguish and continue to do so long after the last bullet is fired. Your attempt to drag a selective section of those who suffered into daylight to fleece their hard earned credability for someone elses political ends or use as part of asymmetrical warfare, post GFA, is not only sad but morally questionable.
A word to the wise Conuil, I am born and Irishman, and am a patriot and a Republican because of my loyalty to the Republic and its ideals. I extend that patriotism to all areas of my civic life and how I conduct myself therein. I do not brook questioning of my patriotism and I sure as f**k don't stand for others attempting to define the parametres or veracity of my loyalty to my country. Tread carefully.
Okay, I'll tread carefully
I too am an Irish Republican but unlike you I have suffered from the British and Unionist states' including, being shot by the occupying army and being imprisoned as a Political Prisoner! That 22 brave and courageous Irish citizens died on Hunger-Strike during the 20th Century to prove!
Unlike you, I base my republicanism on the 1916 Proclamation - particularly the part which respects and demands equality for all of the nation's children!
btw: you failed to answer my questions, so I'll repeat them just in case you didn't understand?
May I ask, what did U do to stop the seemingly endless conflict? When was the last time did U visit Belfast?
Did U not attend the state funerals of Volunteer. Kevin Barry and the other nine Republican Prisoners who were murdered by Britain?[/quote]
Your'e patriotrism is most likely based on the 1949 Bunreacht? Which in my opinion doesn't properly deal with the legacy of the Anglo-Irish conflict!Your being a bit hastly there and mixing things up. I voted yes to the GFA and over 94% of those who participated in the referendum did also. No one has to explain their vote to you and anyone else so don't act like we do. In doing so the Republic of Ireland endorsed the principle of consent and also regconised jurisdiction boundry between the 6 counties and the Republic, so 'occupation' is no longer a vaild description of the British Army presence in the North. The terms of referance under which the 6 counties is discussed now were negioated and agreed by all parites including PSF and the IRA Army council. So you are the one out of step.
I and a great many others also do not accept Provisional Sinn Feins claim to be the direct decendant of the Sinn Fein that helped found the state. So we do not take into account the claims of legitimacy that those currently using the name Sinn Fein bestrow upon themselves. Its all very good at a republican rally for the faithful, but not even PSF will bang a drum too loudly about its claims publically. They would only invite scorn, and they know it. It is and remains to many a mostly northern (and hence for the moment foreign) party. The last election did much to reinforce that view in the Republic.
Secondly, it is always the case that political movements will try to capitolise on the sacrafices of those who have served them, after the fact. Time and again this is done, and by capitolise I mean ruthlessly using those who have already done their bit. This petition is no exception. A soldier is a soldier first and a citizen second, hence the Geneva convention exists to clearly mark that deliniation. That brings us back to the question of Jurisdiction. Because not only have we (the Republic of Ireland) seperated what terms British and Irish jurisdiction, but Sinn Fein itself through its insistance on defining the IRA as an actual army, have brought the UN into play on issues of 'Prisoners of War'.
Sinn Fein is seeking to have all the benefits of having an army, including the kudos, but absolutly none of the responsibility, except that which might continue ot win them votes or keep the party faithful happy. We might open another topic on what exactly are the responsibilities of Sinn Fein with regard to those who signed up and fought for their cause. I would imagine that Sinn Feins reluctance to regularise the status of the rank and file of the Provisional IRA (perhaps the ultimate and only real recognistion needed) is not done because the Political desk jockeys who are now in well paid jobs with perks do not want to see the Geneva Convention extended to their behaviour in the past. So ultimitly if there is betrayal of those who served it is coming from Provisional Sinn Fein.
If you want to lobby the UN to examine the subject at hand, then go ahead, I might actually sign your petition. But until then I will not hand an endorsement to speak on real activitists behalf over to those who did bugger all.
The true cost of war is never realised because it is hidden being the dignity of those who have suffered loss, trauma and anguish and continue to do so long after the last bullet is fired. Your attempt to drag a selective section of those who suffered into daylight to fleece their hard earned credability for someone elses political ends or use as part of asymmetrical warfare, post GFA, is not only sad but morally questionable.
A word to the wise Conuil, I am born and Irishman, and am a patriot and a Republican because of my loyalty to the Republic and its ideals. I extend that patriotism to all areas of my civic life and how I conduct myself therein. I do not brook questioning of my patriotism and I sure as f**k don't stand for others attempting to define the parametres or veracity of my loyalty to my country. Tread carefully.
You shouldn't be issuing threats either to fellow posters on this forum okay:
"I do not brook questioning of my patriotism and I sure as f**k don't stand for others attempting to define the parametres or veracity of my loyalty to my country. [i]Tread carefully" [/quote]
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