Petition An Taoiseach to Investigate the Use of CR Gas

[Thac0man]

ThacOman:

I am betting that the numbers of PIRA interned were a very small percentage of those who did suffer internment

So why did you say

[quote:2o3n6nte]No. Sorry, but men who take up arms and claim to be an army have lost the right to be treated like innocent bystanders

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Well as the subject has strayed onto the issue of certain peoples right (or lack thereof) to represent others who were not affiliated with them, let me on behalf of republicans trying to make a point, no matter how I disagree with them, state...

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[FamilyGuy]

ThacOman:

I am betting that the numbers of PIRA interned were a very small percentage of those who did suffer internment

So why did you say

[quote:1ghgogqx]No. Sorry, but men who take up arms and claim to be an army have lost the right to be treated like innocent bystanders

Well as the subject has strayed onto the issue of certain peoples right (or lack thereof) to represent others who we not affiliated with them, let me on behalf of republicans trying to make a point, no matter how I disagree with them state...

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Ah right good old ThacOman. Gets himself caught out (again) and thats the best he can do.

And the isssue hasnt strayed onto the issue of certain peoples right (or lack thereof) to represent others who we not affiliated with them as you suggest. The issue is about the use of this gas by British forces against internees and innocent cilivians. Your lack of concern howwever is unsurprising considering your lack of concern for state sponsored murder and torture in other countries around the world

[Thac0man]

Ah right good old ThacOman. Gets himself caught out (again) and thats the best he can do.

And the isssue hasnt strayed onto the issue of certain peoples right (or lack thereof) to represent others who we not affiliated with them as you suggest. The issue is about the use of this gas by British forces against internees and innocent cilivians. Your lack of concern howwever is unsurprising considering your lack of concern for state sponsored murder and torture in other countries around the world

No it is not. The reason I would not sign are two fold. The initial reason I gave: I do not think the sacrafices of some should be used for political ends even though there exists association. I believe this because truely honouring the sacrafice of those who took up arms, suffered and fell would be best served by first seeking formal and wider recognition for them as soldiers. As things are, those 'volunteers' remain in the shade, only to be dragged out and rained on by crocodile tears, then put away again until they are needed.

Seondly, and this issue that has come to light as this thread unfolded, is that some people are trying to use innocent victims of internment, with no militant republican connection, to blend militants into the picture of innocence. Hence use not only those who had militant connection, but those also whom they have no right to represent, then or now. These people suffered at the hands of the British government, but northern republicans have no right to abuse their suffering for their own political ends. It is opportunism that does not stand up to scrutiny.

[FamilyGuy]

ThacOMan:

No it is not. The reason I would not sign are two fold. The initial reason I gave: I do not think the sacrafices of some should be used for political ends even though there exists associaltion

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What political ends?


ThacOman

I believe this because truely honouring the sacrafice of those who took up arms, suffered and fell would be best served by first seeking formal and wider recognition for them as soldiers. As things are, those 'volunteers' remain in the shade, only to be dragged out and rained on by crocodile tears, then put away again until they are needed.

What are you on man? What has that to do with the British Government using CS gas against internees and other innocent civilians?

ThacOman

Seondly, and this issue that has come to light as this thread unfolded, is that some people are trying to use innocent victims of internment, with no militant republican connection, to blend militants into the picture of innocence.

Your evidence of that?

ThacOman

These people suffered at the hands of the British government, but northern republicans have no right to abuse their suffering for their own political ends

Who specifically do you classify as Northern Republicans? What individuals feel they are being abused by anyone here? And what are these "own political ends" you refer to?

[Thac0man]

Get yourself a history book or a newspaper, either way put away your crayons.

[FamilyGuy]

ThacOman, instead of runnig away from a debate perhaps you could actually answer what you are asked.

ThacOman:

No it is not. The reason I would not sign are two fold. The initial reason I gave: I do not think the sacrafices of some should be used for political ends even though there exists associaltion.

What political ends?


ThacOman

I believe this because truely honouring the sacrafice of those who took up arms, suffered and fell would be best served by first seeking formal and wider recognition for them as soldiers. As things are, those 'volunteers' remain in the shade, only to be dragged out and rained on by crocodile tears, then put away again until they are needed.

What are you on man? What has that to do with the British Government using CS gas against internees and other innocent civilians?

ThacOman

Seondly, and this issue that has come to light as this thread unfolded, is that some people are trying to use innocent victims of internment, with no militant republican connection, to blend militants into the picture of innocence.

Your evidence of that?

ThacOman

These people suffered at the hands of the British government, but northern republicans have no right to abuse their suffering for their own political ends

Who specifically do you classify as Northern Republicans? What individuals feel they are being abused by anyone here? And what are these "own political ends" you refer to?