The Act of Union of 1800 and the Lisbon Referendum

[1111952]

The comparison between Lisbon and the Act of Union of 1800 will not be lost on students of history. Lord Castlereagh did his work of promoting the Union bill by forging an alliance with the Catholics and by offering strong inducements to the Members of the old Irish Parliament. Everybody knows about the corruption of integrity that was part and parcel of the passage of the Union bill, and how the bill was re-presented when it was rejected the first time. But Castlereagh did his work well among the Catholic hierarchy also. Bishop Moylan of Cork, formerly of Kerry, was in support, seeing Britain as a greater potential source of relief legislation for Catholics than the Irish Parliament. He was to be disappointed, and William Pitt PM resigned when King George vetoed his policy to introduce Catholic Emancipation: what a disaster, as the postponement of Emancipation for nearly thirty years had tremendous symbolic importance for British rule in Ireland.

Gerald O'Carroll ("The Pocket History of Kerry", 2007, Polymath Press, Courthouse Lane, Tralee, polymathbooks@eircom.net; geraldocarroll@eircom.net, 061 303387; 25 euros hardback, c. 300 pages)

[Alliance]

The comparison between Lisbon and the Act of Union of 1800 will not be lost on students of history. Lord Castlereagh did his work of promoting the Union bill by forging an alliance with the Catholics and by offering strong inducements to the Members of the old Irish Parliament. Everybody knows about the corruption of integrity that was part and parcel of the passage of the Union bill, and how the bill was re-presented when it was rejected the first time. But Castlereagh did his work well among the Catholic hierarchy also. Bishop Moylan of Cork, formerly of Kerry, was in support, seeing Britain as a greater potential source of relief legislation for Catholics than the Irish Parliament. He was to be disappointed, and William Pitt PM resigned when King George vetoed his policy to introduce Catholic Emancipation: what a disaster, as the postponement of Emancipation for nearly thirty years had tremendous symbolic importance for British rule in Ireland.

Gerald O'Carroll ("The Pocket History of Kerry", 2007, Polymath Press, Courthouse Lane, Tralee, polymathbooks@eircom.net; geraldocarroll@eircom.net, 061 303387; 25 euros hardback, c. 300 pages)

No thanks. I read enough fiction on the internet already...

[Catalpa]

The comparison between Lisbon and the Act of Union of 1800 will not be lost on students of history. Lord Castlereagh did his work of promoting the Union bill by forging an alliance with the Catholics and by offering strong inducements to the Members of the old Irish Parliament. Everybody knows about the corruption of integrity that was part and parcel of the passage of the Union bill, and how the bill was re-presented when it was rejected the first time. But Castlereagh did his work well among the Catholic hierarchy also. Bishop Moylan of Cork, formerly of Kerry, was in support, seeing Britain as a greater potential source of relief legislation for Catholics than the Irish Parliament. He was to be disappointed, and William Pitt PM resigned when King George vetoed his policy to introduce Catholic Emancipation: what a disaster, as the postponement of Emancipation for nearly thirty years had tremendous symbolic importance for British rule in Ireland.

Gerald O'Carroll ("The Pocket History of Kerry", 2007, Polymath Press, Courthouse Lane, Tralee, polymathbooks@eircom.net; geraldocarroll@eircom.net, 061 303387; 25 euros hardback, c. 300 pages)

Lord Castlereagh did his work of promoting the Union bill by forging an alliance with the Catholics and by offering strong inducements to the Members of the old Irish Parliament

But this time the Irish People are being handed the razor to cut our own throats...

[TradCat]

It will be worth saying no just to see how they conspire to overturn our vote.

[Christine Murray]

I find this difficult to commensurate, I always thought Bertie was Grattan(ish) and
was going more for a US/UK inner circle type alliance.

He seemed incredibly enamoured of the whole Royalty issue- whereas the focus in the
EU would appear to be more about cancelling out and abolishing differences between Nationalisms.
Based in the whole: ' if we speak a common language and open up a free-market then we
won't really need to be blowing each other up scenario.'

Oh Well! wheels within wheels... would it not be great if the democratic leaders of the country
had sought to deal with the issues instead of crisis after crisis, corruption after corruption
and little or no info , just regurgitated ************************e for us all to absorb?

Thing is most human beings want economic stability but some sort of democratic input also,
and the free market economy has really effed up simple things for us- medical privatisation being one.

[jmcc]

But this time the Irish People are being handed the razor to cut our own throats...

Then let's hope that the razor is used to symbolically cut the throats of the traitors who would sell Irish Independence for the price of a sinecure in Brussels.

Regards...jmcc

[fergalr]

FT has enough sugar in his tea without this thread :P

[badinage]

It will be worth saying no just to see how they conspire to overturn our vote.

I agree. Then again, its staggeringly undemocratic that the population of, say, Malta, has a veto over the democratic wishes of the entire population of the EU.

[fergalr]

It will be worth saying no just to see how they conspire to overturn our vote.

I agree. Then again, its staggeringly undemocratic that the population of, say, Malta, has a veto over the democratic wishes of the entire population of the EU.

Yeah but a central pillar of international relations is the parity of nations.

[Catalpa]

But this time the Irish People are being handed the razor to cut our own throats...

Then let's hope that the razor is used to symbolically cut the throats of the traitors who would sell Irish Independence for the price of a sinecure in Brussels.

Regards...jmcc

If they can't find a razor they could take a cue from Lord Castlereagh himself...