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    Maranatha Maranatha is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán Chaisil View Post
    Savita asked for an abortion several times after the difficulties had been discovered.

    You're one to talk about lies.
    Updated: According to the official medical report (P. 33) on Savita’s death:

    O&G Consultant 1 stated that the patient and her husband were emotional and upset when told that a miscarriage was inevitable. The consultant stated that the patient and her husband enquired about the possibility of using medication to induce miscarriage as they indicated that they did not want a protracted waiting time when the outcome of miscarriage, was inevitable. At interview, O&G Registrar doctor 2 stated that the plan was to check the fetal heart and that the patient had asked on the 23rd of October about termination. O&G Consultant 1 stated that the patient and her husband were advised of Irish law in relation to this. At interview the consultant stated “Under Irish law, if there’s no evidence of risk to the life of the mother, our hands are tied so long as there’s a fetal heart”. The consultant stated that if risk to the mother was to increase a termination would have been possible, but that it would be based on actual risk and not a theoretical risk of infection “we can’t predict who is going to get an infection”.

    Source: http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/...hse-report.pdf
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    Cellachán Chaisil Cellachán Chaisil is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maranatha View Post
    She was given the option to abort and declined it as she wanted to see if her baby would make it. Clearly you're not up to date on the case either. Not as big a deal though in your case as you're not the Minister for Health.
    Prove it.

    It was reported in many outlets that she asked for an abortion on numerous occasions during the ordeal that led to her death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maranatha View Post
    She was given the option to abort and declined it as she wanted to see if her baby would make it. Clearly you're not up to date on the case either. Not as big a deal though in your case as you're not the Minister for Health.
    Ah here. Do you think we were born yesterday?
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    The_SR The_SR is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán Chaisil View Post
    Prove it.

    It was reported in many outlets that she asked for an abortion on numerous occasions during the ordeal that led to her death.
    Its lying for Jesus. Don't waste your time.
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    Cellachán Chaisil Cellachán Chaisil is offline

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    That fact is, it is the eighth that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán Chaisil View Post
    That fact is, it is the eight that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
    Correct.

    Its curious that the more Catholic they are, the more outlandish the claims and stronger the refusal to budge. Dengles is king. TFM made a gibbon of himself on the mint thread, and now this flute. Impervious to facts the lot of them.
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    Colm O'Gorman:

    He said: “Countries with more liberal abortion laws generally have a lower rate of abortions. If you look at the European standards, one of the lowest rate of abortion in Europe is in the Netherlands where they have perhaps the most liberal abortion laws in Europe. So there is no evidence, in any way, to support the floodgates will be open, and in reality there is no solid evidence that in any way supports the idea that Ireland has lower abortion rates than in any other country in Europe. All the evidence suggests at least the opposite.”


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    Maranatha Maranatha is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán Chaisil View Post
    Prove it.

    It was reported in many outlets that she asked for an abortion on numerous occasions during the ordeal that led to her death.
    Kitty Holland defends Savita death story after admitting Praveen's account may be 'muddled'

    Excerpt: Coleman: ...to what do you attribute the disparity between Praveen's assertion that the family asked for a termination and the fact that the hospital records contain...no requests for a termination.

    Holland: ...we're relying all the time on their (Praveen and his solicitor) take on what happened...I don't know, that's a huge gap and if that is the case that a termination was requested and Praveen says that there were witnesses to the requests so that will all come out in the inquiry... we don't know if requests for a termination are recorded at all...
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    Maranatha Maranatha is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellachán Chaisil View Post
    That fact is, it is the eighth that allowed the doctors in Savita's case to refuse to give her an abortion. Her rights to bodily integrity were ignored and that is why she is no longer with us today.
    This is completely false.
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    Im mildly (but wavering) pro repeal ...but Ive heard the repeal side have 2 big stonkers afaik so far

    1. Bacik Claimed Downs couldn't be diagnosed before 12 weeks ... a belter of a porker or astonishing ignorance ...Downs (and much else ) can be diagnosed from 10 weeks to a 99.99% accuracy

    And
    2. the FGer who chaired the committee said scans weren't conducted at 12 weeks but at 20 weeks ...wrong, it depends on the hospital and level of care , and for a 100 euro you can have it done at any time ...which nearly everyone that I know does from 12 weeks or before

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