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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Four weeks ago Swedish Immigration Police kidnapped ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Four weeks ago Swedish Immigration Police kidnapped asylum seeker Zahid Baloch off the streets of Gothenburg and late last week deported to Norway where he has an outstanding repatriation order to Pakistan.

    Zahid Baloch is a well-known human rights and socialist activist from Baluchistan in Pakistan. Zahid was leader of the Baloch Student Organisation (Azad) - an organisation that campaigns for the rights of Baloch people in Baluchistan. In 2013 the Pakistani government outlawed Azad claiming it was a terrorist organisation - a move condemned by the Asian Human Rights Commission.

    In March 2014 Zahid Baloch was abducted by the Pakistani secret police. After his abduction Karima Baloch replaced Zahid as leader of Azid - she is currently seeking asylum in Canada after spending more than a year on the run in Pakistan avoiding the secret police.

    Zahid was held for more than three months and repeatedly tortured. He was drugged, repeatedly beaten with a whip, suffered electric shock to his genitals, was repeatedly raped with foreign objects, his fingers, wrists and ankles were broken. Several members of his extended family (two of his uncles and three cousins) were also abducted, tortured and murdered in front of him. His wife and two children were repeatedly threatened. During his detention the UN Human Rights Commission condemned the Pakistani government for their treatment of Zahid. He was so severely beaten that the police believed they had killed him and dumped his body on the side of the road.

    Zhaid then spent the next five months in hiding and being treated for his injuries. When the Pakistani police discovered he was still alive they embarked on a widespread seek and search campaign. Members of Socialist Struggle Pakistan (sister party of the Socialist Party) assisted in smuggling Zahid out of Pakistan and managed to get him to Norway.

    While in Norway he suffered a heart attack directly as a result of the torture he received in Pakistan. Zahid applied for asylum in Norway but the new right-wing government made changes that basically ruled out all chances of him receiving asylum in Norway. Norway is noted for deporting asylum seekers to Pakistan. After two years in Norway members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna (sister party in Sweden of the Socialist Party) moved him to Gothenburg. This proved to be the correct decision as shortly afterwards the Norwegian government issued a deportation order against him back to Pakistan.

    Shortly after his arrival in Gothenburg Zahid suffered a second heart attack as a result of the impact of torture. He suffers from a variety of serious medical conditions as well as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression and other psychological issues. He has made several suicide attempts while facing his asylum process. Over the past two years members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna have cared for Zahid and ensured his well-being.

    Under the 'Dublin Regulations' on asylum Zahid was entitled to apply for asylum in Sweden on Friday 9 March. On 15 February he was abducted from the streets of Gothenburg by the Swedish immigration police. The abduction of Zahid is part of an intensified police search for "illegal" immigrants in Sweden in order to carry out more deportations following more right-wing anti-immigrant pronouncements from the Swedish governemnt. Against Swedish law the police failed to inform his legal representatives or the human rights commission in Sweden.

    Last Saturday members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna discovered he was being held in a detention outside Gothenburg. The manger of the Migration Board in the detention centre ruled that Zahid should not receive visits and refused to allow Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna members could not hand over his medicines. On Monday Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna organised a rally outside the detention centre and after three hours it was agreed that one member of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna could visit Zahid and bring his medication.

    Johannes Lundberg described Zahid as being very frightened, shaking and looking fearful. Zahid had been suffering flashbacks of the torture after being confined in a detention cell. He was clearly suffering from severe claustrophobia. Johannes Lundberg stated that Zahid broke down several times during our two-hour long meeting in spite of feeling the tremendous support and solidarity of comrades and friends outside the detention centre. During the meeting Zahid expressed his optimism that he would be able to complete his asylum process as scheduled on Friday 9 March and asked Johannes to contact his legal representatives. Since then his legal representatives have been refused access to him.

    The Pakistani authorities are fully aware of Zahid's existence and his political activity in support of asylum seekers since leaving Pakistan. His wife and children have been in hiding. His father has been abducted and tortured on several occasions by the Pakistani secret police - in particular they threatened to kill his father after Zahid spoke at a rally in Gothenburg in support of Baluchistanis seeking asylum in Sweden.

    Yesterday members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna discovered that the Swedish immigration authorities illegally deported Zahid Baloch to Norway. Zahid's legal representatives were not informed of any decision that he was to be deported - which they are legally entitled to, the police did not inform the human rights commission which they are legally obliged to do and his legal representatives were prevented from filing any legal papers to prevent his deportation. Attempts are being made to get Zahid legal representation in Norway but there is now serious concern that the Norwegian authorities will deport him before any legal challenge can be mounted.

    Protests are now planned to take place this weekend at more than 50 locations around the world outside diplomatic offices of the Norwegian government. The case of Zahid Baloch is once again before the UN Human Rights Commission and every effort will be made to prevent his deportation. However, there is now a very real fear that Zahid Baloch will be deported to Pakistan where the secret police will kill him and his body will never be discovered.

    The Socialist Party is appealing for all those who defend human rights and the right of asylum to contact the Norwegian embassy and demand that Zahid Baloch be returned to Sweden to complete his asylum application.

    I find the behaviour of the Swedish government hypocritical. They flaunt their human rights credentials but carry on like this. No one should be extradited to Pakistan given its human rights record.
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    If he was an Islamist who wanted to overthrow the government of Sweden, he would have been alright. But in all seriousness, Sweden & Norway cannot take every Pakistani, much less than we can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Four weeks ago Swedish Immigration Police kidnapped asylum seeker Zahid Baloch off the streets of Gothenburg and late last week deported to Norway where he has an outstanding repatriation order to Pakistan.

    Zahid Baloch is a well-known human rights and socialist activist from Baluchistan in Pakistan. Zahid was leader of the Baloch Student Organisation (Azad) - an organisation that campaigns for the rights of Baloch people in Baluchistan. In 2013 the Pakistani government outlawed Azad claiming it was a terrorist organisation - a move condemned by the Asian Human Rights Commission.

    In March 2014 Zahid Baloch was abducted by the Pakistani secret police. After his abduction Karima Baloch replaced Zahid as leader of Azid - she is currently seeking asylum in Canada after spending more than a year on the run in Pakistan avoiding the secret police.

    Zahid was held for more than three months and repeatedly tortured. He was drugged, repeatedly beaten with a whip, suffered electric shock to his genitals, was repeatedly raped with foreign objects, his fingers, wrists and ankles were broken. Several members of his extended family (two of his uncles and three cousins) were also abducted, tortured and murdered in front of him. His wife and two children were repeatedly threatened. During his detention the UN Human Rights Commission condemned the Pakistani government for their treatment of Zahid. He was so severely beaten that the police believed they had killed him and dumped his body on the side of the road.

    Zhaid then spent the next five months in hiding and being treated for his injuries. When the Pakistani police discovered he was still alive they embarked on a widespread seek and search campaign. Members of Socialist Struggle Pakistan (sister party of the Socialist Party) assisted in smuggling Zahid out of Pakistan and managed to get him to Norway.

    While in Norway he suffered a heart attack directly as a result of the torture he received in Pakistan. Zahid applied for asylum in Norway but the new right-wing government made changes that basically ruled out all chances of him receiving asylum in Norway. Norway is noted for deporting asylum seekers to Pakistan. After two years in Norway members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna (sister party in Sweden of the Socialist Party) moved him to Gothenburg. This proved to be the correct decision as shortly afterwards the Norwegian government issued a deportation order against him back to Pakistan.

    Shortly after his arrival in Gothenburg Zahid suffered a second heart attack as a result of the impact of torture. He suffers from a variety of serious medical conditions as well as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, depression and other psychological issues. He has made several suicide attempts while facing his asylum process. Over the past two years members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna have cared for Zahid and ensured his well-being.

    Under the 'Dublin Regulations' on asylum Zahid was entitled to apply for asylum in Sweden on Friday 9 March. On 15 February he was abducted from the streets of Gothenburg by the Swedish immigration police. The abduction of Zahid is part of an intensified police search for "illegal" immigrants in Sweden in order to carry out more deportations following more right-wing anti-immigrant pronouncements from the Swedish governemnt. Against Swedish law the police failed to inform his legal representatives or the human rights commission in Sweden.

    Last Saturday members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna discovered he was being held in a detention outside Gothenburg. The manger of the Migration Board in the detention centre ruled that Zahid should not receive visits and refused to allow Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna members could not hand over his medicines. On Monday Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna organised a rally outside the detention centre and after three hours it was agreed that one member of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna could visit Zahid and bring his medication.

    Johannes Lundberg described Zahid as being very frightened, shaking and looking fearful. Zahid had been suffering flashbacks of the torture after being confined in a detention cell. He was clearly suffering from severe claustrophobia. Johannes Lundberg stated that Zahid broke down several times during our two-hour long meeting in spite of feeling the tremendous support and solidarity of comrades and friends outside the detention centre. During the meeting Zahid expressed his optimism that he would be able to complete his asylum process as scheduled on Friday 9 March and asked Johannes to contact his legal representatives. Since then his legal representatives have been refused access to him.

    The Pakistani authorities are fully aware of Zahid's existence and his political activity in support of asylum seekers since leaving Pakistan. His wife and children have been in hiding. His father has been abducted and tortured on several occasions by the Pakistani secret police - in particular they threatened to kill his father after Zahid spoke at a rally in Gothenburg in support of Baluchistanis seeking asylum in Sweden.

    Yesterday members of Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna discovered that the Swedish immigration authorities illegally deported Zahid Baloch to Norway. Zahid's legal representatives were not informed of any decision that he was to be deported - which they are legally entitled to, the police did not inform the human rights commission which they are legally obliged to do and his legal representatives were prevented from filing any legal papers to prevent his deportation. Attempts are being made to get Zahid legal representation in Norway but there is now serious concern that the Norwegian authorities will deport him before any legal challenge can be mounted.

    Protests are now planned to take place this weekend at more than 50 locations around the world outside diplomatic offices of the Norwegian government. The case of Zahid Baloch is once again before the UN Human Rights Commission and every effort will be made to prevent his deportation. However, there is now a very real fear that Zahid Baloch will be deported to Pakistan where the secret police will kill him and his body will never be discovered.

    The Socialist Party is appealing for all those who defend human rights and the right of asylum to contact the Norwegian embassy and demand that Zahid Baloch be returned to Sweden to complete his asylum application.

    Yeah, sure they did.
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    Let's be clear why I used the word 'kidnapped' in this report -

    When an asylum seeker is arrested in Sweden then the immigration police have a legal responsibility to contact their legal representatives and to contact the human rights commission in Sweden. Furthermore, in contacting their legal representatives they are obliged to inform them of the location of the individual arrested and make arrangements for the legal representatives to see their client.

    In Zahid Baloch's case - none of the legal responsibilities of the police were adhered to. It took more than three weeks to find out where Zahid was being detained and even at that point his legal representatives were refused permission to visit him. Furthermore, he was illegally deported to Norway because his legal representatives were not allowed access to him and were not able to file legal papers to challenge his detention and deportation.

    Given the fact that the Immigration Police openly flouted their own laws and illegally detained and then deported Zahid Baloch - it is accurate to describe his arrest and detention as a 'kidnapping'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *EPIC SUCCESS* View Post
    Yeah, lots of people saying stuff like that back in the 1930's about Germany.

    Not an exactcomparison, but close enough. I wonder if they will be running him back to Pakistan on a train - they like shipping people off on trains, the Swedes.

    If this man is genuinely being sent back to be tortured then the Swedes are culpable in part.
    Dude, Hitler was an immigrant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    If he was an Islamist who wanted to overthrow the government of Sweden, he would have been alright. But in all seriousness, Sweden & Norway cannot take every Pakistani, much less than we can.
    What makes you believe that the Trots are giving an accurate assessment? I'm far to the Left of you and by gosh I would trust the Swedish authorities over the Trots any day and if I was Swedish I wouldn't trust my authorities at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Let's be clear why I used the word 'kidnapped' in this report -

    When an asylum seeker is arrested in Sweden then the immigration police have a legal responsibility to contact their legal representatives and to contact the human rights commission in Sweden. Furthermore, in contacting their legal representatives they are obliged to inform them of the location of the individual arrested and make arrangements for the legal representatives to see their client.

    In Zahid Baloch's case - none of the legal responsibilities of the police were adhered to. It took more than three weeks to find out where Zahid was being detained and even at that point his legal representatives were refused permission to visit him. Furthermore, he was illegally deported to Norway because his legal representatives were not allowed access to him and were not able to file legal papers to challenge his detention and deportation.

    Given the fact that the Immigration Police openly flouted their own laws and illegally detained and then deported Zahid Baloch - it is accurate to describe his arrest and detention as a 'kidnapping'.
    The op describes an illegal immigrant that the Swedes found had already applied for asylum and had his case rejected. You don’t need to fire €100,000 in lawyers pockets to adhere to the correct procedure for swiftly removing those not eligible for asylum.
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    Links to back this up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    Let's be clear why I used the word 'kidnapped' in this report -

    When an asylum seeker is arrested in Sweden then the immigration police have a legal responsibility to contact their legal representatives and to contact the human rights commission in Sweden. Furthermore, in contacting their legal representatives they are obliged to inform them of the location of the individual arrested and make arrangements for the legal representatives to see their client.

    In Zahid Baloch's case - none of the legal responsibilities of the police were adhered to. It took more than three weeks to find out where Zahid was being detained and even at that point his legal representatives were refused permission to visit him. Furthermore, he was illegally deported to Norway because his legal representatives were not allowed access to him and were not able to file legal papers to challenge his detention and deportation.

    Given the fact that the Immigration Police openly flouted their own laws and illegally detained and then deported Zahid Baloch - it is accurate to describe his arrest and detention as a 'kidnapping'.
    Sweden ,Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland have an extradition agreement that allows repatriation of fugitives with an exchange of documents, it predates the EU. I don't understand why you would want us to think Mr Baloch was entitled to asylum rights when you have admitted that he was arrested before he claimed asylum status.

    https://www.unodc.org/cld/en/legisla...tion_1-13.html

    Section 9

    If the person for whom extradition is requested has been sentenced for the act in the foreign state, his extradition may not be granted unless the judgment is substantiated by the supporting documentation and does not give rise to a serious objection in other respects.

    If no judgment concerning the act has been pronounced in the foreign state, the request for extradition shall be based on a detention decision issued by a competent authority in that state. In the case of an act for which extradition is possible according to Section 4, second paragraph, the request may, however, be based on other documentation. The request may not be granted unless there is probable cause for believing that the person has committed the act.
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