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    Quote Originally Posted by ionsniffer View Post
    in the end of the day the majority of voters seem to be a bit thick.
    so fine gael won't be worried.
    I tend to agree. Look at leo's poll ratings and for what exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JANUARY2018 View Post
    FG created the housing and homeless crisis when they entered government in 2011.
    There's serious money in that business for well connected FG cronies.
    FG's HAP scheme is directly responsible for the massive spike in rents and the knock on effect on the cost of housing.
    Noonans vulture scum mates have cleaned up....and gotten away with paying sweet f**k all tax thanks to the 'charitable status' he allowed them take.
    FG are dirt.
    Ireland will rue the day......
    There has been pretty much a housing crisis of one sort or another in Ireland for last 20 years. Fintan O' Toole did a good pice on it recently. No doubt poor planning,Developers, Planning corruption all played their part in this perpetual crisis but it didnt start in 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBP voter View Post
    180000 empty houses.

    We don't need anymore.
    half of them are owned by travellers
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    Quote Originally Posted by offalypat View Post
    half of them are owned by travellers
    And your evidence is ? Something you heard in a bar perhaps?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by riker1969 View Post
    I wouldnt blame FG totally for housing mess. For a lot of their first few years in Government it was lifeboat time. There was a lot of concentration on paying bills. NAMA is owned by taxpayers and perhaps there was too big a focus on getting a return for taxpayer rather than looking at long term housing. I would blame them for not concentrating more on social housing and not bringing in vacant site tax sooner. I think its due in 2019
    Many voters are absolutely against social housing for spongers. They probably don't deserve HAP either but at least that money goes to decent folk in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JANUARY2018 View Post
    FG created the housing and homeless crisis when they entered government in 2011.
    There's serious money in that business for well connected FG cronies.
    FG's HAP scheme is directly responsible for the massive spike in rents and the knock on effect on the cost of housing.
    Noonans vulture scum mates have cleaned up....and gotten away with paying sweet f**k all tax thanks to the 'charitable status' he allowed them take.
    FG are dirt.
    Ireland will rue the day......
    FF insisted on raising the HAP rates big time after the last election which caused the rent spike more than anything else. Get your facts straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riker1969 View Post
    I wouldnt blame FG totally for housing mess. For a lot of their first few years in Government it was lifeboat time. There was a lot of concentration on paying bills. NAMA is owned by taxpayers and perhaps there was too big a focus on getting a return for taxpayer rather than looking at long term housing. I would blame them for not concentrating more on social housing and not bringing in vacant site tax sooner. I think its due in 2019
    The problem is, FG very much picked who got into the life boats and who drowned in debt and austerity.

    FG's "recovery" is very one sided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JANUARY2018 View Post
    Who's in government?
    Well, FF really it would seem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galteeman View Post
    Many voters are absolutely against social housing for spongers. They probably don't deserve HAP either but at least that money goes to decent folk in the end.
    Since when are REITs and vulture funds "decent folk"?
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    Looks like parish pump politics is never going to go away.

    I really wish some party/government had vision about this country, like a believable, sustainable 20 year plan or something that future governments would have to continue.

    A pressure reliever city/cities for Dublin, check.

    No more one off housing with Fibre Broadband up every boreen. check (or pay for it yourself eh?)

    Strategic use of the Health Service, hospitals, centres of excellence and ignore all the paddywhackery of a hospital in every county. Check.

    Improve, pay for and subsidise hugely public transport in Dublin and other cities. It is woeful now. Check.

    Move Dublin Port elsewhere and use the hundreds of acres of land for the people. check.

    God I could be on here all night.

    VISION please. Long term strategies. That would be a start.
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