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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmal View Post
    Well he wouldn't be the only one. We have 70 homeless charities in Ireland, ten alone in Dublin all of them have CEO's all earning six figure salaries except Peter McVerry Trust whose CEO earns 96K so they can say he's not one of that lot.
    Imagine how many more houses they could fund if the government just did the job we pay it to do in the first place???

    It's frustrating to hear people talk about Ireland being a low tax economy when they're completely missing the "guilt tax" many of us pay into various charities every month.

    We're lucky if 20% of this gets to the cause we're supporting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasherHash View Post
    That's in private enterprise right, so its not the same at all.

    I don't accept for a minute that taxpayer funded quangos need people running them earning €100,000 courtesy of the taxpayer.

    These organisations use and abuse volunteers to do a lot of the actual work, so no CEOs should not be on big salaries, they should be on the average wage and it shouldn't vary.

    Accountants are a different issue but I think their salaries in terms of charity quangos should also be nearer the average wage.
    Taxpayer funded or not, someone still needs to lead the organization. Strategize, control, raise funds. All hopefully efficient manner. I do not know the organization, if Barnardos has 20 people on 117k on 366 total employees, it would be unacceptable and overpaid. Organization funded by taxpayer or donations has indeed very much the obligation to run lean operations. Hence I get really annoyed to see eg HSE and their admin payroll policy (numbers and level). Same with semi state quangos, who sometimes in its very mission are not required.
    But merely fact that CEO of 366 employee organization earns 117k, is not overpaid (I think).
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    Have Renua finally found an entity to pick a fight with which is an every more ridiculous joke than Renua ?

    I think they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uganda View Post
    I agree.

    Some of these charities do pay 80k + for senior staff. But if you want a competent accountant to oversee finances you're going to pay 80k.

    But you could do without a competent accountant and just ask the cleaning lady to do the accounts.
    aye but what are the megabuck earning competencies of the likes of O'Gorman and failed politicians in charities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuaman View Post
    Renua Ireland held a protest outside the Hq of Amnesty this morning and in an open letter to Colm O'Gowman called on him to resign.
    RENUA IRELAND OPEN LETTER TO COLM O’ GORMAN
    Dear Colm,
    RENUA Ireland are today requesting with regret, your resignation as Executive Director.
    We believe your immediate resignation is justified by the disrepute you have brought this organisation into.
    The unhealthy dependence of Amnesty International on the largesse of foreign billionaires which has developed during your term of office is of itself alone a source of grave unease to believers in independent human rights bodies.
    However, your Trump-like response to the Standards in Public Office (SIPO) request that you return these donations represents a dangerous act of insolence and an attack on the integrity of one of the key protectors of Irish democracy.
    You would do well to remember that SIPO evolved because of an era where political figures such as Charles Haughey believed themselves to be above the law.
    Even by appearing to follow in their footsteps you do grave damage to the concept of ethics in public life.
    SIPO is, even with flaws a designated independent watchdog of the state.
    By attempting to muzzle or silence its bark you return us implicitly to an era we thought had passed.
    It is gone past time Colm that you realized that even if you hold the high impressive sounding title of Executive Director you are not above the law.
    Amnesty International exists to protect the role of Ethics in political and public life.
    Within Ireland SIPO is one of the key pillars of ensuring an ethical political system survives.
    Your claim that the legislation has been “weaponised” against several campaigning and advocacy organisations, is not just facile. It is nothing more than a politically self-interested and uncouth attempt to undermine a respected institution of the state.
    One of the pillar features of any functioning democracy is that no organisation has the right to arrogate to itself the decision on whether it will obey a directive from a statutory body.
    Amnesty International’s attitude in this regard is the ethical equivalent of engaging in the sort of semi-constitutional politics that wrought such harm upon this state in so many different ways.
    Under the current Executive Director, we are concerned that Amnesty International has lost its way in one other key fashion.
    Amnesty International was originally to preserve the lives of the oppressed and unrepresented.
    This means that if anything, Amnesty ought to be pro-life.
    Instead Amnesty, on the pillar issue of the human rights of the unborn, means you are now perceived to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing and a closet advocacy group for an industrialised, multinational driven, abortion industry.
    RENUA Ireland believes the proposal to Repeal the Eighth represents the greatest proposed violation of human rights in the history of the Irish state.
    We believe it represents only the end of the beginning of a planned programme to introduce unrestricted abortion in the state.
    It is the poisoned fruit of a conspiracy of advocacy groups, opportunistic politicians and media outlets who believe it is progressive to deny human rights to the voiceless and those with a potential disability.
    The decision of Amnesty International, under your direction, to act as a well-paid advocacy group for such disreputable groups means your status can only damage our democracy and degrade the concept of human rights in many people’s eyes.
    Your immediate departure would at least do a little to repair the damage you have done.
    Yours respectfully,
    John Leahy, Party Leader, Renua Ireland

    I read all that. I shouldn't have.

    What shíte. Bunch of rotten auld conservatives making a fuss. Renua my arse.
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    Mr O'Gorman doesn't seem to have resigned yet!

    maybe RENUA should try a hunger strike until he goes...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uganda View Post
    I agree.

    Some of these charities do pay 80k + for senior staff. But if you want a competent accountant to oversee finances you're going to pay 80k.

    But you could do without a competent accountant and just ask the cleaning lady to do the accounts.
    Smaller charities would not need a full time accountant. They should consider getting a part-time accountant who has a good pension and wants to do something useful in retirement. Lots of younger retirees work in the voluntary sector and they have so much work and life experience to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florence View Post
    Smaller charities would not need a full time accountant. They should consider getting a part-time accountant who has a good pension and wants to do something useful in retirement. Lots of younger retirees work in the voluntary sector and they have so much work and life experience to offer.
    No, the smaller ones only really need a bookkeeper.

    But the bigger ones, especially those in receipt of significant money from the hse would need at least one very good accountant. And they don't come cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Have Renua finally found an entity to pick a fight with which is an every more ridiculous joke than Renua ?

    I think they have.
    Even here they're probably punching above their weight.

    Amnesty will still exist in 3 years time, I doubt Renua will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Factchecker View Post
    Some of overpaid, like O'Gorman eg, looking at size operation Amnesty in Ireland.

    But Barnardos, 117k to lead organization of 360 employees? That is not overpaid. I and many of my peers get close to 140k, just to do some coding.
    All of these charities started off with one good person, ie Peter McVerry or Bro Kevin and his soup kitchen and before you knew it they are running profesional charities with CEO's and full time staff. Whatever about Barnardo's the homeless charities are all duplicating each other work.
    Instead of giving taxpayers money to charities it would be better if the government spend the money themselves on providing these services and if charities want to exist let them raise funds themselves.
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