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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    Why does the man have to be handsome? Yes I used to like Mills &Boon. Does that make me pre disposed to the wrong view of the matter.

    Someone just now on Pat Kenny said if he hadnít been brave enough to out his hand on a girls knee he wouldnít be married now.
    There's a lot wrong on both sides

    This sums up a lot for me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPQH0U2igOY
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    It's not exclusively male behavior mind. Consider notorious peadophile Gloria Grahame, who was known in Hollywood circles to have been caught in the act, by her husband, raping her then 12 year old son in law. That disgusting demented b!tch just had an absolute gushing soppy film made about her life and she has been painted as a feminist hero by Hollywood. In a few years I wonder will her films be burned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    I don’t think ‘hit on’ suggests violence at all. But it’s probably old fashioned. And flirting is not the same, it’s not strong enough.

    What is the term of today for a man pursuing a woman. And is that very idea or concept, itself old fashioned. Have we reached a point where the woman dies the pursuing.

    Court is like way old. Never heard of Dally ! Make eyes at makes me smile. Been too long out of the ‘game’.
    Women have been doing some of the running for quite some time. I was way too shy back in the day to do the running. If my first girlfriend hadn't made the first move I'd probably still be a virgin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wascurito View Post
    You might be watching too much porn. Anyway, just because one woman wants something doesn't mean they all will. If the person being importunť(e) says no, that means no.
    That's the way it's always been for me, what I'm getting at is the way in which women talk openly about their wants and needs and how they differ totally as to how they want to be treated in reality.

    That is where a lot of men get confused, they think Women are embarrassed to be honest about their needs and this causes a lot of issues.

    No means no

    The trick is to know who is interested in you and only go after them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    What I meant about Trump was that his attitude in the past illustrated the worst kind of behaviour - not putting a hand on knees, not pinching a bottom, but 'grab them by the pussy'.
    that's a characterture, go back to the 1980's and Trump was essentially Christian Grey from 50 shades . Its the Weinsteins that are the more creepy ones, Weinstein wasn't getting laid when he was young so probably built up a lot of resentment towards women, then he gets rich and powerful and boom his pent up creepiness comes out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily Davison View Post
    What do you think of the comment on Catherine Deneuve by a woman who has said Weinstein raped her. ‘interiorised misogyny’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/m...-movement.html
    Too many links there for me to be sure of what was said exactly and by whom (I'm running late here) but what exactly did she say?
    I think it was someone else who said that "interiorised misogyny" was why Catherine D was taking the view she was. So I don't know what CD herself said. I see her comment about Polanski, which seems to be just that it's all too long ago and has been settled by all concerned. I don't entirely agree but it's not a justification of the rape all the same - unlike Whoopi Goldberg who IMO was utterly disgusting in her comment about it not being "rape-rape".

    Similarly Germaine Greer dropped like a brick in my estimation with her comments about the Pitcairn child abuse cases, so I don't have any ilusions about various degrees of complicity from some women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    What I meant about Trump was that his attitude in the past illustrated the worst kind of behaviour - not putting a hand on knees, not pinching a bottom, but 'grab them by the pussy'.

    No I knew what you meant, heís totally obnoxious. Itís a kind of attitude Iíve seen a little of in American men in particular. My husband worked with them, had a bunch in the house here and it was like a pack is all I could describe it as and so competitive, because the boss was so teststerobe driven. Drove them all nuts. View of wives was of trophies. But it wasnít true for all of them. Not when I considered my husband and one of the other men who was perfectly Ďnormalí and family orientated. Itís hard to explain. But itís like Bsnnon and Trump pumping each other and everybody else up.

    I wonder is the Weinstein thing a backlash against that. I donít find America progresssive compared to Europeans, in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    that's a characterture, go back to the 1980's and Trump was essentially Christian Grey from 50 shades . Its the Weinsteins that are the more creepy ones, Weinstein wasn't getting laid when he was young so probably built up a lot of resentment towards women, then he gets rich and powerful and boom his pent up creepiness comes out
    You realize 50 Shades is fiction, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    You realize 50 Shades is fiction, right?
    go way
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    Sometimes I wonder if societal sexual repression was partly to do with avoiding this kind of scenario. In a sexually liberal society, sexual 'inequality' widens - attractive people get plenty, unattractive people (more so on the male side) do not - and the gap between equal levels of desire and unequal satisfaction leads to jealousy, anger and sometimes violence.

    Not helped when "masculine" qualities of power, persistence, strength and acquisitiveness are attractive to women in some cases but equate to harassment in others.

    So at some point in the past the establishment/church probably thought better to keep a lid on things - no to sex before marriage, no to adultery, arranged marriages etc.

    Returning to those days is not a solution obviously. But I sense that the solution lies in addressing that perceived inequality rather than adding new categories of crime.
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