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    Expose the lot of them Expose the lot of them is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interestedhopeful View Post
    As far anyone knows, his first recorded encounter was New Year's Day when a member of AGS stopped him (another article said he was "acting suspiciously"). It hasn't been disclosed if they've found out if he was in Ireland earlier or not, just that NYD was the first time he was noticed.

    After the murder they discovered the abandoned house which they believe he returned to after leaving Hatch Hall Reception Centre where they found some papers, bedding and two mobile phones.
    Thanks was not aware that he had been in Dundalk for an extended period of time. Mind you we will probably never know, where he was, when he sneaked across the border, what his nationality is and his correct age.

    Will probably be found guilty but insane, incarcerated in Dundrum for a few years before he is deemed no longer insane and no longer a danger to society and released. At that point he should be immediately deported, send him back to the UK for processing but I would not be surprised if the immigration quangos took up his case to remain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expose the lot of them View Post
    I think you find that not all of the, shall we say, residents have Spanish passports.
    Of course. But the small minority would hardly justify labelling Ceuta as a likely home berth for the Dundalk knacker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florence View Post
    How can we accept anything he says as the truth without independent verification?
    He said he's "not a gay". Are you willing to independently verify that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Bunion View Post
    He said he's "not a gay". Are you willing to independently verify that?
    There is something behind that statement - was he asked that - and therefore his 'indignation'.

    He is saying he is 'not gay', but he is not giving out any more information - he is well coached to act stupid/be an eejit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Islam is inherently misogynistic and homophobic. But to presume that all Muslims are misogynistic and homophobic is not correct. To assume all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers is incorrect. To assume all Muslims want to destroy the west and kill us all and whatever other nonsense has been spouted here is incorrect, and that's what I take issue with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Bunion View Post
    Why would you want to import a demographic you yourself admit has an element of nasty, backward people among them?
    Well Cookie I asked you that only the other day and here we are today with an ISIS funding terrorist up in court in Waterford.

    What will it take for you guys to take your heads out of the sand?

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36482157.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    But to presume that all Muslims are misogynistic and homophobic is not correct. To assume all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers is incorrect. To assume all Muslims want to destroy the west and kill us all and whatever other nonsense has been spouted here is incorrect, and that's what I take issue with.
    Me too, but ya cant watch everyone.

    https://youtu.be/Ry3NzkAOo3s?t=71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdebru View Post
    Ooh I expect George Dillon will be along any moment now to complain about the vile personal abuse and name calling........................................... .................................................. ................

    maybe not.

    I don't want to import any religion, as far as I am concerned they are all bad but I respect peoples rights to practise whatever religion they choose, I have no issue condemning homophobia, misogyny no matter where it comes from, anyone preaching hate and intolerance should be prosecuted whether they are alt right, Muslim, Christian or anything else, there is no freedom of speech for hate speech, there is freedom of religion, but not freedom to impose your views on others no matter what religion you are, if you deny anyone the right to practise their religion here, then we are no longer a free society, those are western values, you can't claim to be interested in preserving western values while trying to destroy one of those values.

    Sects or interpretations of any religion that preach hatred against anyone should be banned, and not allowed to flourish anywhere, fundamentalism is a cancer in all religions.
    I am glad to read that you feel that way. So, does the following fit in with what you mean in that sentence?

    have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous - the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) - and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is 'sedition,' meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor's note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that 'fighting' is sanctioned even if the fitna 'ceases'. This is about religious order, not real persecution.]

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

    Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

    Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as those who "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people.

    Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during the pilgrimage. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - but not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

    Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

    Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

    Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, "Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability."

    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

    [Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "heals" the hearts of Muslims.

    Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

    There's more, but if you read half of what's here, well.
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    Okay, so where did his orthodontics get done?
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    Any significant updates to this story or has it been made disappear now that the politicians can go back to virtue signalling about abortion?

    Seems that this has happened previously in the the UK with an asylum seeker, so Ireland is now starting to see the same benefits of diversity:

    Anthony Banting, 57, had got off a tram in Winson Green, Birmingham, on 31 March when he was stabbed in the head, chest and back.

    Alaeldien Ahmed, an asylum seeker, was arrested during house-to-house inquiries and recognised from CCTV.

    Mr Ahmed, 26, of Eva Road, Winson Green, denies murdering Mr Banting.
    Anthony Banting murder: Father 'stabbed 50 times at tram stop' - BBC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interestedhopeful View Post
    Any significant updates to this story or has it been made disappear now that the politicians can go back to virtue signalling about abortion?
    Still not Islamic terrorism. Sorry.
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