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    Skyrocket Skyrocket is offline
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    SIPOC Threatens to Pursue Prosecution of Amnesty over Soros Abortion Campaign Funding

    The Standards in Public Office Commission have ordered Amnesty Ireland to return €137,000 it received from the George Soros group Open Society Foundation to campaign for repeal of the 8th Amendment in Ireland.

    SIPOC claims that Amnesty are in breach of the Electoral Act 1997 (amended in 2001) which places restrictions and reporting obligations on individuals or groups beyond political parties or election candidates, called “third parties”. A “third party” means any individual or group who accepts donation for “political purposes” exceeding the value of €100. The definition of “political purposes” includes “any campaign conducted with a view to promoting or procuring a particular outcome in relation to a policy or policies or functions of the Government or any public authority”. According to this law, organisations deemed a “third party” cannot accept a donation from a foreign source.

    Amnesty have been informed that they will be reported to the Gardaí and prosecuted if they fail to return the money. The penalty on conviction could be up to 3 years imprisonment.

    Amnesty claim that because their work is for human rights, that the law does not apply to them and they are campaigning to have it changed.

    They also said that they will not be returning the Soros funding.

    See their full statement here: https://www.amnesty.ie/civil-society...r#BraveIreland
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    ShoutingIsLeadership ShoutingIsLeadership is offline
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    Campaigning to repeal the 8th, isn't political. The constitution is owned by the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrocket View Post
    The Standards in Public Office Commission have ordered Amnesty Ireland to return €137,000 it received from the George Soros group Open Society Foundation to campaign for repeal of the 8th Amendment in Ireland.

    SIPOC claims that Amnesty are in breach of the Electoral Act 1997 (amended in 2001) which places restrictions and reporting obligations on individuals or groups beyond political parties or election candidates, called “third parties”. A “third party” means any individual or group who accepts donation for “political purposes” exceeding the value of €100. The definition of “political purposes” includes “any campaign conducted with a view to promoting or procuring a particular outcome in relation to a policy or policies or functions of the Government or any public authority”. According to this law, organisations deemed a “third party” cannot accept a donation from a foreign source.

    Amnesty have been informed that they will be reported to the Gardaí and prosecuted if they fail to return the money. The penalty on conviction could be up to 3 years imprisonment.

    Amnesty claim that because their work is for human rights, that the law does not apply to them and they are campaigning to have it changed.

    They also said that they will not be returning the Soros funding.

    See their full statement here: https://www.amnesty.ie/civil-society...r#BraveIreland
    " ... the Government or public authority" sound to me like elected bodies such as the Dail, cabinet, government departments or county councils".

    I think Amnesty have a good case, and are probably following their lawyers' advice. It might be as well to sequester the money for now, though.

    We should also be looking at the contributions the SPUC and Pro-Lifers have been receiving from the US, which go back to before this legislation. But if Amnesty can be accused of influencing the political process, so can they. Justice is fairness, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Campaigning to repeal the 8th, isn't political. The constitution is owned by the people.
    George Soros isn't a citizen though.
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    At least they're registered and their funding is open to scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrocket View Post
    Amnesty have been informed that they will be reported to the Gardaí and prosecuted if they fail to return the money. The penalty on conviction could be up to 3 years imprisonment.
    This might go all the way to seeing these people in Amnesty imprisoned for these breaches of the legislation. Wonder if the Muslim Brotherhood will return the favour and send a delegation from Egypt to get the Irish government to release them?

    The next stage will probably be the trawl to see if the other side has received illegal foreign aid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    " ... the Government or public authority" sound to me like elected bodies such as the Dail, cabinet, government departments or county councils".

    I think Amnesty have a good case, and are probably following their lawyers' advice. It might be as well to sequester the money for now, though.

    We should also be looking at the contributions the SPUC and Pro-Lifers have been receiving from the US, which go back to before this legislation. But if Amnesty can be accused of influencing the political process, so can they. Justice is fairness, after all.
    The idea that pro life campaigners aren't getting funding from outside Ireland is risible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    " ... the Government or public authority" sound to me like elected bodies such as the Dail, cabinet, government departments or county councils".

    I think Amnesty have a good case, and are probably following their lawyers' advice. It might be as well to sequester the money for now, though.

    We should also be looking at the contributions the SPUC and Pro-Lifers have been receiving from the US, which go back to before this legislation. But if Amnesty can be accused of influencing the political process, so can they. Justice is fairness, after all.
    +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    The idea that pro life campaigners aren't getting funding from outside Ireland is risible.
    It is not what you think that matters but rather what can be proven in court. And there still is a conservative element in Ireland that would be willing to see the people from Amnesty jailed while turning a blind eye to other financial aid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    This might go all the way to seeing these people in Amnesty imprisoned for these breaches of the legislation. Wonder if the Muslim Brotherhood will return the favour and send a delegation from Egypt to get the Irish government to release them?

    The next stage will probably be the trawl to see if the other side has received illegal foreign aid.
    Yes, I can really see a hugely tolerant, progressive and secular moving country like Ireland jailing members of Amnesty
    I can really see that
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