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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    EK got out before any hard decisoons came his way.

    Hardly surprising for somebody who was merely a rubberstamp as a Taoiseach.

    Ditherer 2.0. A fully nEU empire compliant at that.
    He's been relutcant to go at all... which has been obvious to anyone with a brain paying even the slightest bit of attention... but sure don't let that stop you spewing the bullsh!t you spew...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ON THE ONE ROAD View Post
    unite ireland and that problem goes away.
    Yes.

    But when it comes to the push a great many patriots aren't prepared to put their money where their mouth is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBoogaloo View Post
    Yeah. Why not?!

    I find it's a good way of countering pro-EU propoganda and waffle. Also annoys the shyte out of europhiles... which amuses me.
    Definition of a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    Definition of a troll.
    Trolling can be hilarious at times. Welcome to politics.ie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    There is talk of Ireland applying for some kind of special status to help ride out Brexit. Enda said Ireland "would more than likely have to ask the EU for some form of specific assistance after Brexit or face economic catastrophe", and yesterday, Tony Buckley, the head of Ireland's customs said:

    "overall Ireland has two big advantages in terms of dealing with the new situation. The Republic’s trade with Northern Ireland is only 2 per cent of all exports, and Ireland is an island at one end of the EU without another land border. If something comes into Ireland, it is in Ireland and that’s it"

    "If France were to have reason to believe that some of the Irish lamb it was being sold actually included New Zealand lamb, it could suspend Ireland’s rights and check all Irish consignments."

    New Border: ‘Cars being stopped and searched isn’t going to happen’

    How would that work?

    One interpretation of this is Ireland would ask for some kind of 'half-in half-out' status within the Customs Union. Ireland wouldn't police the border with the North as the external border of the EU. Instead the customs border would be around the island of Ireland. Irish exports would face 'country of origin' checks when they shipped to the mainland EU.

    Would people accept that? It would damage our trade with the rest of the EU certainly. Also, we'd risk being flooded with dodgy unregulated imports smuggled across the border, and business would have to prove they weren't reexporting this to the EU. Thats a lot of paperwork.

    If this is the thinking within government, its worrying.

    He doesn't seem to get the core point, which is that Ireland the state (the entity that he represents) is NOT an island. It shares the island of Ireland with another state - the UK.

    He thus DOES have to care about the border with NI, because NI is part of the UK, and is a potential source of what you refer to as "dodgy unregulated imports smuggled across the border".

    It's fine for him to have a model of Irish exports facing 'country of origin' checks when they shipped to the mainland EU, bit that's at the export end of things, and could only ever be done on a sample basis. This system would depend on detection at the point of export, as opposed to any thought being put into prevention at the start of the food chain.

    Can you imagine the uproar that would happen IF France actually did what he said - "suspend Ireland’s rights and check all Irish consignments"?

    As you say, if this is the thinking within government, its worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    None of that answers the question. 98% of Ireland's trade is not with Northern Ireland, yet our government seems to only worry about the north.
    But the concern is not about trade.

    It's about the problem of the reality of the existence of partition being driven home if there does end up having to be a hard border in order to satisfy the EU.

    So long as the ROI and the UK are both in the EU the border is not that important. And thus successive ROI governments have been able to get away with doing little or nothing, on the basis of why would they poke that particular hornet's nest.

    But once the UK leaves the EU there is the possibility that there will end up being a hard border and that scares the potential ROI governments. The reality of their negligence of what is often called "the national question" would be exposed. One particular aspect to that would be the possibility of actual Irish nationalism becoming prominent again, with people who have previously been seen to be "soft nationalists" (those who were willing to let their demographic assumptions run their course) taking a harder attitude once they saw a hard border being installed.

    To such people the installation of a hard border would be an indication of things going backwards with respect to "the national question" - it would be the source of a massive blow to their national pride. Such people wouldn't care that there really would be no impact to the GFA, or to the ROI's economy - the perception of a reversal of progress would harden their nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    None of that answers the question. 98% of Ireland's trade is not with Northern Ireland, yet our government seems to only worry about the north.
    do the stats include the south Armagh patriots' red and green diesel activities?
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    To the OP (quote function buggered):

    So, NI puts up a border around it and the rest of the United Kingdom? Or there is no border between Ireland and any of the UK, just the rest of the world?
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    As if Ireland overlords aka Germany would allow it.

    FFS the delusion on this site get worse by the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollandia View Post
    There's approximately 4.5 million people doing that right now.
    Exactly. Let's add 900,000 heavily subsidised "we feel British" unionists in as well, give them PRAVDA instead of the Beeb, the HSE instead if the NHS, snd FAWSSSSS instead of the British equivalent.

    They will even get tax increases to help pay for Bertie's pension, Noddy's museum, Ray Arsey's salary and bailouts for the D4 banks.

    Come on in Billy - sweat and toil for the Seanie Bonders and Denis the menace.

    And pump them with pro-EU imperial propaganda.

    I don't expect it to work.

    I am not in favour of seeing Irish blood spilled for Brussels and it's pretenscious machinations.
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