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    The_SR The_SR is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorblade View Post
    Well like I said punching those you disagree with makes you are scumbag if your convinced of who they really are then why not expose them by debating with them violence gets you no where.
    I assume you are including the leader of the NP in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    I assume you are including the leader of the NP in that?
    If you're convinced of beating someone in an argument do it with words not with your fists it just makes you look cowardly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallander82 View Post
    Here's The National Party stance on immigration:



    For all the posters who say that a party such as this are not going to gain traction with the Irish people you are only deluding yourselves. Every major political party in the state is in favour of open borders, so the idea that the one party in the state that is against it will gain no support is absurd. You're in for a rude awakening.
    The only absurdity up for discussion here is the NP. I took the time to read your programme and frankly it's a joke. 'Adopt an adversarial position to the EU'? Exactly what leverage, economic or political, do we have to successfully engage in such a policy of confrontation with the EU? The UK did so for years and was unable to negotiate changes to the freedom of movement principle, why would we be more successful?

    Your first two principles are a claim to the whole island and the assertion that the Irish people are one and indivisible. Where do the Unionists fit into your scheme? Specifically if they reject the imposition of an Irish identity on them and maintain their British heritage. Will they be deported back to Scotland or 're-educated'? As for your proposed changes to the economy, there were no details as to how they NP would transition to a new economic model, while the opinion polls and surveys show a clear majority support the establishment parties, between whom you would not find a cigarette papers difference on policy.

    To summarise, there is probably a segment of the population that holds anti-immigrant views. To extrapolate from that, however, a desire to engage in a form of Cold War against the EU, irredentist views regarding the North and the unionist community, and a desire to change the economic model to presumably some form of autarky or an independent trading state (in which case God save Ireland from the predations of the US, China & other large powers) is reaching of the highest order.
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    Ratio Et Fides Ratio Et Fides is offline

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    They have seriously shot themselves in the foot here;

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...6-e82a11f405aa

    Most Irish people aren't concerned about homosexualism and of those who are a majority would feel that people shouldn't be excluded from things just because they are homosexual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    They have seriously shot themselves in the foot here;

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...6-e82a11f405aa

    Most Irish people aren't concerned about homosexualism and of those who are a majority would feel that people shouldn't be excluded from things just because they are homosexual.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Agreed.
    There are obviously a lot of LGB and extremely "gay friendly" people in this country who are paranoid about Islamic attitudes and frightened by African ones on the subject, why alienate them when most Southern Irish cultural conservatives would be happy with the issue just being ignored?
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    Wasn't very aware of them till now but watched the video on Twitter of Justin Barrett goading Renua, Jesus I laughed hard.

    Any idea of the NPs membership numbers or possible candidates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    Not one party supports open borders. Maybe this sort of patronising nonsense is why the various versions of this party up to know got nowhere? Treat the electorate like fools etc.
    Oh please they all do except the NP and Identity Ireland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheeple_Waker View Post
    The only absurdity up for discussion here is the NP. I took the time to read your programme and frankly it's a joke. 'Adopt an adversarial position to the EU'? Exactly what leverage, economic or political, do we have to successfully engage in such a policy of confrontation with the EU? The UK did so for years and was unable to negotiate changes to the freedom of movement principle, why would we be more successful?

    Your first two principles are a claim to the whole island and the assertion that the Irish people are one and indivisible. Where do the Unionists fit into your scheme? Specifically if they reject the imposition of an Irish identity on them and maintain their British heritage. Will they be deported back to Scotland or 're-educated'? As for your proposed changes to the economy, there were no details as to how they NP would transition to a new economic model, while the opinion polls and surveys show a clear majority support the establishment parties, between whom you would not find a cigarette papers difference on policy.

    To summarise, there is probably a segment of the population that holds anti-immigrant views. To extrapolate from that, however, a desire to engage in a form of Cold War against the EU, irredentist views regarding the North and the unionist community, and a desire to change the economic model to presumably some form of autarky or an independent trading state (in which case God save Ireland from the predations of the US, China & other large powers) is reaching of the highest order.
    there is probably a segment of the population that holds anti-immigrant views.

    You are seriously out of touch mate!
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    Once again a brave man from Munster must come to Ireland's rescue by stopping foreign invaders, putting Dublin in it's place and uniting the country

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