Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth

So Irish women wont choose to abort foetuses on a whim?

Get your act together.

The 8th is a a laughing stock and you are flailing around arguing why it is sound law and policy including talking bollocks about some putative future situation in which Irish women "demand a termination" because the ultrasound says their baby is not of the desired sex.

The Irish health care system is a joke. The idea that ordinary Irish women are marching into hospitals ready to abort their baby if it isnt what they wanted from the POV of blue or pink is ludicrous.

Imagine you have to pay a GP for a consultation. Sh*t system.

Originally Posted by Sailor

We are discussing what the law will permit. How women will use that law is not relevant, we can only legislate on the basis of what will be permitted, and a general dispensation allowing abortion on demand will permit sex selection abortion. Or perhaps you would favour excluding it from the general right to choose?

Originally Posted by Mantasy

I'm not sure I understand your question. An example might be mandatory screening of all 16 year olds for genetic defects, or preventing over 35's from availing of IVF.

Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

Can you explain how gender selective abortions might become a policy?

Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth

So Irish women wont choose to abort foetuses on a whim?

Get your act together.

The 8th is a a laughing stock and you are flailing around arguing why it is sound law and policy including talking bollocks about some putative future situation in which Irish women "demand a termination" because the ultrasound says their baby is not of the desired sex.

The Irish health care system is a joke. The idea that ordinary Irish women are marching into hospitals ready to abort their baby if it isnt what they wanted from the POV of blue or pink is ludicrous.

Imagine you have to pay a GP for a consultation. Sh*t system.

As opposed to the NHS that forced women to go to the High Court to access life saving Herceptin when it was available to women here in the public system?

You're rants are not logical or fair Eagle. All healthcare systems struggle, we do better at some things and worse at other things. The majority of people on this planet envy the access we have to healthcare.

Ultrasounds eh ... have you watched one on a 14 week old fetus?

Very interesting....training videos by the activist behind the UK sting.

https://youtu.be/Cp9r-UOPvv4?t=317

https://youtu.be/nK4AyAJVEXw?t=4

Originally Posted by ger12

What's an appropriate breeding practice?

Whatever reduces the financial burden on the state.

(Whilst I don't agree with it, I think his post is an eerie glimpse of the future).

Originally Posted by Calculusmadeeasy

Whatever reduces the financial burden on the state.

(Whilst I don't agree with it, I think his post is an eerie glimpse of the future).

Nah, abortion as birth control? Nah.

https://youtu.be/huabaUiNDuo?t=375

Women are being deceived about what an abortion is....now where have we heard this one before (6.04 but interesting to watch from the start). Chr*st, she even questions why women find making the decision to have an abortion hard but not when they're having an appendectomy.

Originally Posted by Truth.ie

Almost all religions oppose abortion.
Most of the people in my circle who oppose abortion are non-religious.
Is there any reason why you singled out the RCC?

No idea why an Irish woman would single out the RCC, like really? A country where more than 90% of parents have zero choice on a non catholic school for their children.

Originally Posted by ger12

Can you explain how gender selective abortions might become a policy?

If the population outstrips production and/or the carrying capacity of the land.

It's practiced in China I think, and not for cultural reasons.

Originally Posted by ger12

Nah, abortion as birth control? Nah.