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    Quote Originally Posted by A Voice View Post
    You sure about that? You able to do a word count on the stuff you write??

    If your stuff was any good it would be a different matter.

    Your hopeless argument that it's fine to kill a developing human being on Day X but somehow not fine on Day X + 1 will not get any better in the repeating, however long those repetitions are.

    And your crummy analogies (look up the word; you clearly don't understand it
    ) fail to bolster it.
    I don't have to look up the word analogy.

    They were not analogies. FROGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ABORTION.

    Choosing to save one twin over another is not an analogy either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen Ripley View Post
    Your entire argument in support of abortion rests on: if a foetus is really only the potential for a human being, then it's okay to obliterate it because it doesn’t have feeling yet, and it hasn’t made any world-changing discoveries yet, or broken any world records yet.
    If your "unassailable" logic stands then it is okay to end anything and anyone that doesn’t evoke feeling in you right now, or possess some quality that you deem acceptable 'achievement'.

    That's entirely ludicrous, and AV and TS have comprehensively proven this to you, concisely and 'coherently', several times.

    So, how about a newborn, which isn't really all that useful? Or undergraduate students? They have emotion and some of them might be pretty smart, maybe even capable of a Nobel Prize or something someday, but right now it’s just potential. Should I be paying for my 10-year-old's piano lessons at all? His playing sucks right now, but maybe....nah, just potential.

    And after we do whatever great things we do with our short lives, we really aren’t very valuable because we've already done what we could do, so...

    See? The problem with dismissing the ‘potential’ argument is that all we are and ever have been is potential. Potential for greatness, success, love, hate, victory, strength, honour, courage; and yet you dismiss the greatest potential of all-- the possibility of all these things, the potential for life- as unimportant.

    When you dismiss 'mere' potential you dismiss yourself, and what it means to be human.
    There might be contending reasons why you should have an abortion. An individual should be able to evaluate the pros and cons to make a decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    I don't have to look up the word analogy.

    They were not analogies. FROGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ABORTION.

    Choosing to save one twin over another is not an analogy either.
    The issue concerned timelines for alcohol purchase and abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen Ripley View Post
    Your entire argument in support of abortion rests on: if a foetus is really only the potential for a human being, then it's okay to obliterate it because it doesn’t have feeling yet, and it hasn’t made any world-changing discoveries yet, or broken any world records yet.
    If your "unassailable" logic stands then it is okay to end anything and anyone that doesn’t evoke feeling in you right now, or possess some quality that you deem acceptable 'achievement'.

    That's entirely ludicrous, and AV and TS have comprehensively proven this to you, concisely and 'coherently', several times.

    So, how about a newborn, which isn't really all that useful? Or undergraduate students? They have emotion and some of them might be pretty smart, maybe even capable of a Nobel Prize or something someday, but right now it’s just potential. Should I be paying for my 10-year-old's piano lessons at all? His playing sucks right now, but maybe....nah, just potential.

    And after we do whatever great things we do with our short lives, we really aren’t very valuable because we've already done what we could do, so...

    See? The problem with dismissing the ‘potential’ argument is that all we are and ever have been is potential. Potential for greatness, success, love, hate, victory, strength, honour, courage; and yet you dismiss the greatest potential of all-- the possibility of all these things, the potential for life- as unimportant.

    When you dismiss 'mere' potential you dismiss yourself, and what it means to be human.
    Just to be clear, I haven't said that we absolutely are morally required to attribute moral value to a being that doesn't yet have consciousness and sentience, but his argument - that rationality and consistency require us to dismiss the potentiality, the "becoming" aspect is patently absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Voice View Post
    The issue concerned timelines for alcohol purchase and abortion.
    They have a line, that's the RULE OF THE LAW.
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    A rule is a line, a line is a rule. You can try and argue against that fact, but it won't go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    They have a line, that's the RULE OF THE LAW.
    You don't seem to be disagreeing on the analogous relationship between the law in one area and nozzo's suggestion for another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Voice View Post
    You don't seem to be disagreeing on the analogous relationship between the law in one area and nozzo's suggestion for another.
    You're not making sense to me.
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    There is no analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    There is no analogy.

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    Yeah, there is. Very clearly.
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