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About LinkBacksBertie will be going to a big house but it might not be the ArasOriginally Posted by Apparatchik
Bertie will be the next President. Who might FG possibly field that could compete?
Bertie will be going to a big house but it might not be the ArasBertie will be the next President. Who might FG possibly field that could compete?
[quote=Rocky][quote=Apparatchik][quote=NotDevsSon][/quote:39iy617q][/quote:39iy617q]
FF gave the Greens far more abuse before the last election and vice versa, then FG have given to the Greens and what are you basing your belief that FF will have first call on SF on?[/quote:39iy617q]The kneecappers are now as entrenched in our society as the mafia is in Sicily. FG have no understanding of the nuances of the peace process - turning a blind eye to fuel laundering, beatings, extortions etc. on both sides of the border. FF has an indispensible tic tac with Adams and McGuinness.
I would have been very happy to see that government in may. But I think that there's a developing problem with the right-ward movement of FG (Leo Varadkar, Brian Hayes, Richard Bruton).Yeah it's very annoying. Was the election result the same as this we would now have a FG/Lab/GP government with Enda as Taoiseach. It's disappointing and it's annoying, but it also shows how close FG and Labour got and that it is possible. Needless to say the if the election result was the same as the polls in Jan 2003, FG/Lab/GP would not have got into government.Indeed it is correct and if those poll results were to have played out last May, those seat totals would be very close to the mark.What he is saying is correct. Had those been the exit poll figures last May, there would be a different GovernmentDream on, baby.
FG/Lab/Greens were gaining from a soft-left vote this time around because that is how they were viewed. FGs right wing was kind of quiet because they had so few seats coming into this election. In any new campaign, can that vote be at all cohesive?
I fear that as the next few years pass, FG will pick up the dormant PD vote, Labour will strengthen their mid-left vote and the Greens might just about hold their own. But how will they be able to gel together either before or after an election?
Its an interesting one, but the economy may take such a hit between now and 2011 that by the time the turnaround happens, it may be too late, as unemployment might be near 8%, I also think that come the next election a lot of people will be sick of the same faces on the government benches.That's another way of looking at it, but it could be a pressure release for the anger voters have for the government.
We have to place the next election in the context that it will be fought.
What's your response to my contention that even in the worst case scenario for the economy, there will be a recovery going into the election, which could be conducive to a fourth consecutive FF-led government?
By 2020, 12.75Lts of petrol will cost you just under €30, today it will cost you €16.42 exactly.
[quote=Archbishop Tree]Indeed. You're obviously concerned about your own financial situation. When i vote, i don't think about my pocket, i think about the country and it's future. I think about its infra-structural deficit, urban sprawl, reliance on imported oil, poorly integrated transport network, bad health service, shrinking manufacturing base...
Of course that is moot anyway, because Bertie Ahern isn't even responsible for our economic success. That's something attributable to successive governments and low ECB rates and a property boom and a demograhic bulge.
So to say you vote for him because he made you money is silly on two counts.[/quote:3qtbrisp]
I vote for the Party that I trust most to keep my status intact and possibly even improve it. I'm honest about it. I vote out of self interest. Fianna Fail are the party for Sil... there seems to be many like me also...
Will the Irish People be bullied by the Gunman..?
Well, I'm of a more positive disposition on the economy, as you may be aware, so I think that the housing correction will be well finished by the time May 2012 comes round.Its an interesting one, but the economy may take such a hit between now and 2011 that by the time the turnaround happens, it may be too late, as unemployment might be near 8%, I also think that come the next election a lot of people will be sick of the same faces on the government benches.That's another way of looking at it, but it could be a pressure release for the anger voters have for the government.
We have to place the next election in the context that it will be fought.
What's your response to my contention that even in the worst case scenario for the economy, there will be a recovery going into the election, which could be conducive to a fourth consecutive FF-led government?
That means Cowen(for argument's sake) can ride the recovery to election as Taoiseach having served for a year or two, having taken over from Ahern.
Private profit for public gain!
Excellent confirmation of upward movement for Sinn Féin.
RIRA not in my name-Traitors to Ireland MMcGuinness; People are entitled to cultural & social equality MLMcDonald; We have a length to go understanding unionism GAdams
Where do you see Sinn Féin come 2012, factual?
Excellent confirmation of upward movement for Sinn Féin.
1)Do you see them with no seats, as Eoghan Harris predicts?
2)With the same number of seats and stuck on the opposition benches with limited speaking rights?
3)With 6 seats, on the opposition benches and still not enough for full speaking rights?
4)7 seats, speaking rights and in opposition.
5)7 or more and in Government with FF?
6)7 or more and in Government with FG?
Private profit for public gain!
Excellent confirmation of upward movement for Sinn Féin.
The standard Factual post. If SF only came in at 1 %, Factual would say "This result shows scope for a considerable increase in SF support."
[color=#FF0000](Guys, when I type in capitals it isn't shouting. I have technical problems which makes using italics difficult. Please don't take offence if you see capitals used!) [/color]
[quote=Silvio Dante][quote="Archbishop Tree":3jk10033]Indeed. You're obviously concerned about your own financial situation. When i vote, i don't think about my pocket, i think about the country and it's future. I think about its infra-structural deficit, urban sprawl, reliance on imported oil, poorly integrated transport network, bad health service, shrinking manufacturing base...
Of course that is moot anyway, because Bertie Ahern isn't even responsible for our economic success. That's something attributable to successive governments and low ECB rates and a property boom and a demograhic bulge.
So to say you vote for him because he made you money is silly on two counts.[/quote:3jk10033]
I vote for the Party that I trust most to keep my status intact and possibly even improve it. I'm honest about it. I vote out of self interest. Fianna Fail are the party for Sil... there seems to be many like me also...
So you refuse to vote for the party that was in Govt that had the highest rates of economic growth and yet you keep in the party that has squandered hundreds of millions/billions on incompetent ideas such as benchmarking/decentralisation etc etc etc
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