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    US officials confirm missile that shot down Flight MH17 did NOT come from Ukrainian forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garza View Post
    So why are the separatists saying they don't have them and I have taken down all social media stating they had them?

    All coming together now. They stole two missile launchers and one was in Luhansk up to a few days ago. All the heavy stuff left Luhansk a few days back and we saw the route it took. Then half way to Donetsk it started to split up and some went south towards Torez which is where this launcher was. That makes sense as they had to break up the convoy as it was an easy target.

    But it is funny how some are here now saying they have two such BUK-M1's while the rebels themselves are at this moment franticly denying they have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren84 View Post
    US officials confirm missile that shot down Flight MH17 did NOT come from Ukrainian forces.
    Of course they are going to make that claim to help their coup regime in Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    Its not reported in the western media but Ukrainian TV has admitted it.

    Now as a result of the shootdown, the survivors of the Ukrainian army are saved

    Why did BBC Newsnight report Russian terrorists were on the back foot and preparing for their last stand in Donetsk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by at768 View Post
    Of course they are going to make that claim to help their coup regime in Ukraine.
    You do know their was an election right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Cheers Neb. What do you think of Ames' summation?
    I would have agreed with him several months ago but the separatists capabilities have increased significantly in other areas over that time - ie heavy armour and artillery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren84 View Post
    Why did BBC Newsnight report Russian terrorists were on the back foot and preparing for their last stand in Donetsk?
    Did you bother watching that video?

    It was Ukrainian TV talking to a Ukrainian soldier. They had no reason to lie. It seems obvious the Ukrainians would rather be reporting successes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Cheers Neb. What do you think of Ames' summation?
    I would have agreed with him several months ago but the separatists capabilities have also increased significantly in other areas over that time - ie heavy armour and artillery.
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    What examination of the wreckage will reveal.

    The operating theory is that a ground to air missile took out MH17 while it was in cruise flight at its assigned altitude, now being reported as 33,000 feet. The evidence we already have corroborates that theory. When an airplane crashes into the ground under power or as the pilots are trying to regain control, the scattering of the wreckage is always very contained, usually within an acre or so.

    In this case, large parts have already started turning up miles away from each other, and that can only mean one thing: that the airplane broke apart at altitude and its parts descended on the currents of the wind until they impacted the earth. The higher the airplane was when it came apart, the more widely scattered the wreckage will be. We can conclude that MH17 came apart at a very high altitude. And it came apart very violently. I have seen a photograph of the floor structure of the airplane, torn apart at the metal structural ties, capable of withstanding many tens of thousands of pounds of force, resting in a field in rural Ukraine. The section in question weighs likely around 10,000 pounds. It’s not the kid of component that breaks off and flutters away. It was blown apart from the rest of the structure.

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    The only explanations that make any sense given the widely scattered wreckage and the degree to which the airplane came apart are that it was hit by a missile — the working theory among authorities now — or that a bomb went off inside the airplane.

    The difference between those two events will be immediately apparent to investigators once they see the wreckage. An explosion leaves an unmistakable fingerprint, telling forensics specialists where the explosive went off and whether that blast originated from inside or outside the aircraft.

    Then, once they find the chemical signature of the device, they will be able to tell with great certainty what kind of explosive caused the damage and very likely where that charge was manufactured and by whom.
    Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: What the Wreckage Is Already Revealing - TIME
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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    Did you bother watching that video?

    It was Ukrainian TV talking to a Ukrainian soldier. They had no reason to lie. It seems obvious the Ukrainians would rather be reporting successes.
    Many international news outlets confirm the Russian terrorists are on the run. I'm happy to accept what they say.
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