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    Mass unmarked grave in Tuam for 800 babies

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    I would be happy to see this issue gain the light of day particularly as the Irish state still seems to collude with religious orders in Ireland in restricting access to proof of what was a lucrative trade for those orders. Once again it appears that events, dear boy, events, may run away with the usual Irish institutional stasis when it comes to dealing with those organisations.
    Official Ireland very silent on the concrete tomb in Tuam containing the bodies of 800 children.

    UPDATE: “Significant quantities of human remains have been discovered in at least 17 of the 20 underground chambers which were examined. A small number of remains were recovered for the purpose of analysis. These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 fetal weeks to two to three years. Radiocarbon dating of the samples recovered suggest that the remains date from the time frame relevant to the operation of the Mother and Baby Home (the Mother and Baby Home operated from 1925 to 1961; a number of the samples are likely to date from the 1950s). Further scientific tests are being conducted.”

    The most commonly cited cause of death was “debility from birth”, which lead to the deaths of 196 children - 24% of the total. A further 124 died from respiratory illnesses and a further 82 died from measles. At one point 31.6% of infants under the age of one in the care of sisters died. An estimated 35,000 unwed mothers are thought to have passed through the doors of the 10 to 14 such institutes in Ireland.

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    Yes, journal.ie and Irish Daily Mail are the only outlets besides Irish Central in the states I notice to cover this.

    Nothing in the Indo or Times as far as I know or coming up on link-searches. 800 bodies- I believe a Garda investigation has been launched into why there are no death certifications for these bodies.

    Bit of a pattern. I know of similar mass graves around other religious institution grounds abroad as well- 1,000 I think in one in North America if memory serves.

    I'm sure given the usual Irish systemic bureaucratic abuse we'll be seeing a lot more of this kind of thing emerging when the state notes that any of the members of the relevant orders are safely dead and beyond questioning.

    Much of which will be down to the plants the RCC has in place in the Irish state apparatus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers View Post
    Well what would you choose, being "sold" or being aborted?

    With the high child death-rates that there were in those Church-run Homes you could call it a category of Post-Birth Abortion.
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    Should really be a separate thread given that the Philomena story of human-trafficking for profit is the Third Scandal whereas I suspect we'll find that the Fourth Scandal is the amount of unmarked graves around certain religious institutions.

    It'll be interesting to see whether there is any official willingness to have those skeletons examined forensically as well.


    'Statistics show a quarter of all babies born outside marriage in the 1930’s in Ireland died before their first birthdays. As observers have remarked elsewhere, these were infant death rates from the 17th century.'

    and...

    'Between 1945 and 1965 more than 2,200 Irish infants were forcibly adopted, an average of 110 children every year, or more than two a week.

    Church officials have consistently denied that they ever received payments for these adoptions, insisting many of the papers and documents from that period were lost in a fire. '

    The Holy Smoke strikes handily again.
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    One institution managed to 'lose' - between 1930 and 1970 - 2,000 children.

    Seems if a child couldn't be sold on to some rich yank it became "‘ emaciated, pot-bellied, fragile with flesh hanging loosely on limbs", then entombed in concrete!

    I could be completely wrong, of course! All these deaths in Tuam may have been down to natural causes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew49 View Post
    One institution managed to 'lose' - between 1930 and 1970 - 2,000 children.

    Seems if a child couldn't be sold on to some rich yank it became "‘ emaciated, pot-bellied, fragile with flesh hanging loosely on limbs", then entombed in concrete!

    I could be completely wrong, of course! All these deaths in Tuam may have been down to natural causes!
    Well in fairness a 25% fatality rate among children born outside wedlock compared to death rates for children born in that happy official state might be ajudged more than statistically significant.

    It would be in health stats.
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    Bloody hell ... this is more than statistically significant.. 'In one year alone in the mid 1940’s in the Bessborough Mother and Baby Home in County Cork, out of the 180 babies born 100 died.'

    Makes you wonder whether the death rates were to cover up a sales scam or something.

    A death rate in excess of 50% in one year is stretching credulity well beyond the breaking point.
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    Another place lost half it's charges in the first year ... attrition rate of 1 child in every two was dying ... that was 1930.

    A storify of all @Limerick1914 tweets about the Children's Home in Tuam (1920s-1960s) ~ LINK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew49 View Post
    Official Ireland very silent on the concrete tomb in Tuam containing the bodies of 800 children.
    This is the real face of catholicism.

    No wonder officialdom is silent on this.
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