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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    The conspiracy theory fantasists are certainly out in force jumping to conclusions as usual. The reality is simple: technology is not perfect. Humans fuk up. They are trying to find bits of a plane that may be small having broken up, or may be below water, in an area the size of France and one of the main ways of searching involves people looking out windows of planes with they using binoculars. And they don't if the pieces are big, small or tiny, whether they are above water or below water, whether they are on land or sea, whether the plane is one piece or a thousand pieces.

    Conspiracy theorists dream up a fantasy world in which all powerful governments have all powerful tools and are run like a James Bond film. When Microsoft revealed one of their earlier versions of Windows would cease to be maintained it was revealed one third of the governments on the planet were still using that ancient technology, including for their secret services. So much for the myth of Bond!

    Much of the planet is not covered even by radar. Entire planes have been stolen or occasion from supposedly secure airports. Even after the new security post 9-11 on much of the planet people can still get onto planes with stolen passports.

    In the real world the surprising thing isn't that it taking a while to find this plane, but that most planes are found so quickly. That is because usually they crash in places with radar coverage and by by luck someone spots something. In reality, and pilots are open about it, there are large parts of the planet where if you come down finding you is like finding a needle in a haystack while blindfolded. If they ever crash they want it to be in a findable place where at least their bodies can be found and returned to their families. Some pilots warn their family that while accidents are very rare don't be surprised if there is a long delay in finding a crash site. An old college flatmate of mine went on to become a pilot used to do a lot of south east Asia routes as a pilot for I think Cathay and he had what he referred to as 'the talk' with his parents.

    So conspiracy theorists as usual are letting imaginations run riot and mixing up stuff they see in films with the reality. The reality is that the odds are that there was nothing suspicious about the crash and the length of time being taken to find it is because of typical human fuk ups and the trouble of finding anything in an area the size of France.
    That's why all the 'experts' are utterly perplexed and baffled by this one then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    That's why all the 'experts' are utterly perplexed and baffled by this one then?
    They aren't.

    The 'experts' trotted out on the media, who are there to perform for a camera (as most people of TV do), 'are'. It is a bit like politicians who go out on the plinth outside Leinster House to put on their 'outraged' act. TV is like that. It is a lot of theatrical overacting and delivering emotional soundbites that have to fit into one of a few standard categories - outrage, fury, shock, puzzlement, accusation, anger. And it must be expressed using the same set of clichés and soundbites ('demand answers', 'questions to answer', 'crisis situation', 'stand aside', 'contempt', 'mystery', 'inadequate explanation' etc.)

    That's TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit v2 View Post
    Some reports were saying that Boeing was receiving the engine data, which never sounded likely. I think people are just making sh!t up at this stage. The Chinese seem to have egg on their faces over the satellite images now too.

    The whole thing has been an exercise in ass-covering and incompetence from start to finish.

    They did not keep track of the plane, the pilot probably did not check in with ATC as often as he should have ...their lax airport security with the stolen passports shows how casual the whole set-up is.

    So they don't know where the plane was when it disappeared. It could be anywhere.

    They're trying to distract from their incompetence by giving panicky and contradictory soundbites to the media. The stolen passport issue embarrassed and wrong-footed them at the start, everyone giving interviews, spreading ass-covering rumours. Same with the radar and last contact with the plane...they know there's potentially huge embarrassment there

    Plus they're clueless about handling the media ,or about the normal practice of getting one dedicated spokesperson or team to deal with the media

    The wreckage will eventually turn up. They just have no clue where to look
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers View Post
    Anything is possible, even that the plane and hostages are being held for a 9/11 on the Petronas Towers.

    » What Happened to Flight 370? An Analysis of What Is Known
    But then surely they would have attacked the Petronas towers immediately, why such an elaborate plan, what would they do with 239 people in the meantime and risk being discovered?.

    One thing for sure is that Malaysian authorities are covering up something. They denied US claims that the plane flew for a further four hours but without knowing what actually happened how could they deny any possible scenario and why are they so quick to dismiss this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    They aren't.

    The 'experts' trotted out on the media, who are there to perform for a camera (as most people of TV do), 'are'. It is a bit like politicians who go out on the plinth outside Leinster House to put on their 'outraged' act. TV is like that. It is a lot of theatrical overacting and delivering emotional soundbites that have to fit into one of a few standard categories - outrage, fury, shock, puzzlement, accusation, anger. And it must be expressed using the same set of clichés and soundbites ('demand answers', 'questions to answer', 'crisis situation', 'stand aside', 'contempt', 'mystery', 'inadequate explanation' etc.)

    That's TV.

    Yeah... you're probably right... although in fairness a lot of the 'experts' I've seen this time round do seem to be reluctant to come to any conclusion or to even suggest scenarios with some of them looking as if they're wondering why they're being consulted at this stage...

    Politicians on the other hand... not a chance... they'll just keep bullsh!tting and talking vacuous garbage without end...
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    Pentagon now claiming they may have an idea of where the aircraft is...

    ...according to Sky News at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    They aren't.

    The 'experts' trotted out on the media, who are there to perform for a camera (as most people of TV do), 'are'. It is a bit like politicians who go out on the plinth outside Leinster House to put on their 'outraged' act. TV is like that. It is a lot of theatrical overacting and delivering emotional soundbites that have to fit into one of a few standard categories - outrage, fury, shock, puzzlement, accusation, anger. And it must be expressed using the same set of clichés and soundbites ('demand answers', 'questions to answer', 'crisis situation', 'stand aside', 'contempt', 'mystery', 'inadequate explanation' etc.)
    Was Fat Greedy Frank Flannery "advising" them? Pro-bono like.

    That's TV.
    So's this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    The conspiracy theory fantasists are certainly out in force jumping to conclusions as usual. The reality is simple: technology is not perfect. Humans fuk up. They are trying to find bits of a plane that may be small having broken up, or may be below water, in an area the size of France and one of the main ways of searching involves people looking out windows of planes with they using binoculars. And they don't if the pieces are big, small or tiny, whether they are above water or below water, whether they are on land or sea, whether the plane is one piece or a thousand pieces.

    Conspiracy theorists dream up a fantasy world in which all powerful governments have all powerful tools and are run like a James Bond film. When Microsoft revealed one of their earlier versions of Windows would cease to be maintained it was revealed one third of the governments on the planet were still using that ancient technology, including for their secret services. So much for the myth of Bond!

    Much of the planet is not covered even by radar. Entire planes have been stolen or occasion from supposedly secure airports. Even after the new security post 9-11 on much of the planet people can still get onto planes with stolen passports.

    In the real world the surprising thing isn't that it taking a while to find this plane, but that most planes are found so quickly. That is because usually they crash in places with radar coverage and by by luck someone spots something. In reality, and pilots are open about it, there are large parts of the planet where if you come down finding you is like finding a needle in a haystack while blindfolded. If they ever crash they want it to be in a findable place where at least their bodies can be found and returned to their families. Some pilots warn their family that while accidents are very rare don't be surprised if there is a long delay in finding a crash site. An old college flatmate of mine went on to become a pilot used to do a lot of south east Asia routes as a pilot for I think Cathay and he had what he referred to as 'the talk' with his parents.

    So conspiracy theorists as usual are letting imaginations run riot and mixing up stuff they see in films with the reality. The reality is that the odds are that there was nothing suspicious about the crash and the length of time being taken to find it is because of typical human fuk ups and the trouble of finding anything in an area the size of France.
    That's crazy. Clearly a UFO is involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    Yeah... you're probably right... although in fairness a lot of the 'experts' I've seen this time round do seem to be reluctant to come to any conclusion or to even suggest scenarios with some of them looking as if they're wondering why they're being consulted at this stage...

    Politicians on the other hand... not a chance... they'll just keep bullsh!tting and talking vacuous garbage without end...
    The media, understandably, love drama, narrative and controversy. But life often is dull and even apparently dramatic bits like this plane incident often have boring mundane explanations.

    In the era of 27-7 news stations frequently overhype things to keep the public's attention. They want simple headline - grabbing stories. So stuff gets overhyped. Some experts and most politicians play along with this to get attention. You learn to just ignore that 'playacting' though some posters on this site fall for it and get worked up over next to nothing, or where there is something they work themselves into a frenzy of excitement and a search for instant answers on a range of issues here.

    Usually though if a story has no real developments by day 6 the media gets bored asking 'so what will happen next?' to experts who actually would like to say 'how the fuk do I know? Stop asking silly questions.' So it drops from the lead and after a few days of no developments gets dropped entirely. If they do not find the plane by early next week I suspect mention of the plane will disappear entirely from the news. There is only so many times they can get 'experts' into studio and keep saying 'do you know anything?' 'No. Do you?' 'No. What do you think will happen next? 'I don't know. Do you?' 'Eh no.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    Pentagon now claiming they may have an idea of where the aircraft is...

    ...according to Sky News at least...
    The US probably know more than they're saying but don't want to reveal too much of the extent of their satellite surveillance surveillance in the region. Holding their cards to their chest.
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