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But what relevance is it if the figures are wrong and the people are working and paying tax ?
If you don't know how many people are in the country, how can you make sufficient health and schooling and transport provision.But what relevance is it if the figures are wrong and the people are working and paying tax ?
Oh yeah, you can't.
As we've seen in hospitals across the state, West and North Dublin primary schools and the Dublin transport network, inter alia.
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I believe the gov had enough figures to act on this issues and chose not to...As we've seen in hospitals across the state, West and North Dublin primary schools and the Dublin transport network, inter alia.But what relevance is it if the figures are wrong and the people are working and paying tax ?
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The UK error relates to the number of immigrants working there, obtained from a labour force survey. They previously under-estimated the proportion of immigrants there who had jobs and over-estimated the proportion of immigrants living there who didn't have jobs. The error reported yesterday doesn't mean the number of immigrants living in the UK is higher than they thought. It might well be higher, but not as a result of the error reported yesterday. If the number living there turns out to be higher than thought, that would be determined from the next census or from figures for passenger arrivals and depaertures, not from the labour force survey.
In Ireland the CSO publish quarterly labour force surveys. In the last one the CSO stated that it was known to be under-estimating the number of immigrants (or foreign nationals as they're called here) who were in employment here. Their explanation was that the error was due to not weighting them fully in the labour force survey (which is simply like a large opinion poll), so the under-estimation here isn't for the same reason as in the UK (which I read was simply due to a clerical error). The CSO have promised to update their weightings for the next survey (due in a month or two). When they do that it will almost certainly show that the number of foreign nationals working here is higher than previously thought. I don't know by how much. Again, whether or not that means there are more foreign nationals living here than previously thought is a separate issue. It might be, but the revisions in the next quarterly labour force survey won't tell us. We might have to wait for the next census to know that.
I really don't understand the agitation. Much ado about nothing. I would understand if the issue involved some mob of terrorists in the hiding suddenly "uncovered", but those are not some new arrivals - you saw those people yesterday on the street, the day before yesterday in the shop, their kids have been singing with your kids in the school last week - WHAT are you talking about?
p.s. Are you also agitated by the fact that US government has no idea how many Irish nationals work in the States? Are you going to express your rightful indignation about this?
p.p.s. Those compulsively obsessed about border controls would do better googling for founding documents of EU. It appears some people have been comatose last 30 years and suddenly awoke yesterday
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The propaganda being that x number of people are coming in when in fact they haven't a bull's notion.It does? What propaganda? How is it shown up? You suspect it was something more than a mistake by a middle-ranking statistician / database analyst in the UK civil service?
LTGuy: People have every right to be worried about uncontrolled demographic change. They'd be fools if they weren't.
And your point about the US government is really silly.
Future Taoiseach - yes, Blair had no clue how many would come, as nobody actually had. XYZ number of people came. So, what next? Are you going to deport all those who are "over" the official estimate? Or what do you suggest?
Some threads just look like a rant about "good oul' days" - a lot of waffle and thin on suggestions. Or is it just one more venting of someone's frustration on failed career/bad marriage/ etc?
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kim chi - can you give an example (bar China's one child policy) of "controlled demographic change"? Did anyone in 70s in Ireland estimate in the wildest dreams that fertility rate of Irish women will plummet below replacement level? Do you know what will be fertility rate in the future?
p.s. Point on US is no more silly than the topic of this thread as situation is analoguous. Or you deny the American citizens the right to "be worried about uncontrolled demographic change" What a travesty!
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Ireland's fertility rate is one of the highest in Western Europe, LT guy.
Plus, your general argument in favour of an open door policy is irrevocably flawed by the fact that such a policy let you in.
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