UK Admit immigraton figures are wrong. Are we wrong too?

[NeilW]

Riadach made a serious allegation about two well respected think tanks.

MigrationWatchUK might like to think of itself as a think tank but it is not. It is clearly a lobby group. Think tanks analyse issues and come up with appropriate policy solutions to problems. MigrationWatchUK starts from the viewpoint that immigration is a problem, that there is too much immigration and that immigration should be reduced. It doesnt change its point of view about immigration in response to studies or analysis - no matter what they might show MigrationWatchUK will still want to limit immigration. It's own home page says they are "concerned about the present scale of immigration into the UK". Sounds like a partisan lobby group to me.

I have no problem with lobby groups campaigning on this or other issues but lets not pretend they are neutral or unbiased on this subject.

[Eddie Collins]

Riadach made a serious allegation about two well respected think tanks.

MigrationWatchUK might like to think of itself as a think tank but it is not. It is clearly a lobby group. Think tanks analyse issues and come up with appropriate policy solutions to problems. MigrationWatchUK starts from the viewpoint that immigration is a problem, that there is too much immigration and that immigration should be reduced. It doesnt change its point of view about immigration in response to studies or analysis - no matter what they might show MigrationWatchUK will still want to limit immigration. It's own home page says they are "concerned about the present scale of immigration into the UK". Sounds like a partisan lobby group to me.

I have no problem with lobby groups campaigning on this or other issues but lets not pretend they are neutral or unbiased on this subject.

Every organisation, media outlet, party has it's own views and/or an agenda.

It is up to people who disagree to challenge the points presented - something which no one in the pro-immmigration lobby has been able to do.

And population reductions on a planet where man has reached plague proportions is not necessarily a bad thing.

[NeilW]

Every organisation, media outlet, party has it's own views and/or an agenda.

I have no problem with them having an agenda. I have a problem with them being represented as a "well respected think tank" because people might misinterpret that to mean they are an unbiased, impartial source of information on immigration. That's the last thing they are.

It is up to people who disagree to challenge the points presented - something which no one in the pro-immmigration lobby has been able to do.

You clearly skipped over the posts that did just that then.

[Eddie Collins]

[quote=NeilW]

Every organisation, media outlet, party has it's own views and/or an agenda.

I have no problem with them having an agenda. I have a problem with them being represented as a "well respected think tank" because people might misinterpret that to mean they are an unbiased, impartial source of information on immigration. That's the last thing they are.

It is up to people who disagree to challenge the points presented - something which no one in the pro-immmigration lobby has been able to do.

You clearly skipped over the posts that did just that then.[/quote:1gfc76tg]

Information which the pro-immigration lobby has been unable to challenge - even with imaginary posts.

[gordonthegopher]

Hi all in new to the site, and have read the comments with great interest.

I myself feel that Immigration is not benficial to Ireland. If anything it has the opposite effect.

Our government boast about all the new jobs created, but yet our unemployment seems to be rising instead of decreasing.

Our Public services appear to be at breaking point, schools overcrowded and Hospitals still cant even guarentee that you can be seen in a A&E after 12 HOURS.

In the UK house prices keep rising because immigrants are fueling a demand for housing from lettings, and the same happens here. This means first time house buyers can never get a foot on the housing ladder.

Yes immigrants pay tax, but the majority of immigrants we are told do the jobs that the Irish dont want to do. This means they are working in very low paid jobs which returns hardly any tax or none.

also we have the fact that immigrants can also claim state benefits such as child benefit regardless if there child dosnt live in the republic.

All this means to me that WE are actually paying for migrants to work here.

I think the whole thing is a big con, In the UK food market retailer Sainsburys recently boasted how migrant workers were better workers than there British counterparts and would do anything and work anytime.

In other words migrant workers were happy to work slave labour which maximises Sainsburys profits.

J Sainsbury is one of the largest financial donners of the Labour party. So in other words Sainsbury make more profits from migrants and return pass on some of the rewards to the Labour party. Great business.

And thats the point, migrant workers here and in the UK are exploited. And because of that natives loose out and migrants loose out.

Also today in the UK a report from the telegraph newspaper states how immigrants to the UK have actually taken all the new jobs created in the last ten years.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/239 ... in-Britain

[Kev408]

Hi all in new to the site, and have read the comments with great interest.

I myself feel that Immigration is not benficial to Ireland. If anything it has the opposite effect.

Our government boast about all the new jobs created, but yet our unemployment seems to be rising instead of decreasing.

Our Public services appear to be at breaking point, schools overcrowded and Hospitals still cant even guarentee that you can be seen in a A&E after 12 HOURS.

In the UK house prices keep rising because immigrants are fueling a demand for housing from lettings, and the same happens here. This means first time house buyers can never get a foot on the housing ladder.

Yes immigrants pay tax, but the majority of immigrants we are told do the jobs that the Irish dont want to do. This means they are working in very low paid jobs which returns hardly any tax or none.

also we have the fact that immigrants can also claim state benefits such as child benefit regardless if there child dosnt live in the republic.

All this means to me that WE are actually paying for migrants to work here.

I think the whole thing is a big con, In the UK food market retailer Sainsburys recently boasted how migrant workers were better workers than there British counterparts and would do anything and work anytime.

In other words migrant workers were happy to work slave labour which maximises Sainsburys profits.

J Sainsbury is one of the largest financial donners of the Labour party. So in other words Sainsbury make more profits from migrants and return pass on some of the rewards to the Labour party. Great business.

And thats the point, migrant workers here and in the UK are exploited. And because of that natives loose out and migrants loose out.

Also today in the UK a report from the telegraph newspaper states how immigrants to the UK have actually taken all the new jobs created in the last ten years.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/239 ... in-Britain

Any chance you could stop referring to your home country and concentrate on Ireland?

[Odyessus]

Not at all. There is no inherent benefit to a constantly growing population. Furthermore, maintaining a population level does not require an open door immigration policy.

If population is shrinking, then pension system (and health care) based on pay-as-you-go goes bust. Simple as that. It is sad some people have no understanding of public service provision dynamics.

Frankly, your yarn about being a Lithuanian gaeilgeoir who lives in the Baltic states and has no desire to come to the only place on the planet where anyone speaks a language he has learnt is unlikely to say the least.

Well, not being economic migrant like you and being well paid I have much broader choice of places to live and work. I have been to Ireland on many occasions, true, but as a visitor. I have seen enough not to want to move to Ireland, furthermore, being interested in language and culture - Ireland is rather poor value for money. I have TG4 over internet, and chances of having someone to talk to in Irish in Vilnius and Dublin are roughly the same.

[quote:2wvtltak]Either you're not Lithuanian, or you're not in the Baltic States.

If you are so obsessed about this - you can always contact David to get my IP address reading - for your own satisfaction.

If you're not here, then I am delighted to hear it.

My choice of not moving to Ireland is not based on the fact if you were delighted or not.

who you're talking about.

You - you moved from NI, didn't you? Typical economic migrant fleeing the choked and strangled economy of the north for the plenties and abundance of the Celtic tiger. Not very different from the famous Polish plumber - you should agree. [/quote:2wvtltak]



"If population is shrinking, then pension system (and health care) based on pay-as-you-go goes bust." [/quote]



Ireland's population is not shrinking, but Lithuania's is. Perhaps you should give your advice closer to home.