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    Dole recipients: 20 hours of council work for extra 20 a week or your dole is cut

    Dole recipients to get extra

    UNEMPLOYED workers will take up new positions in local authorities from early next year, carrying out environmental works including drainage schemes and outdoor maintenance.

    The Government plans to pay up to 3,000 workers an additional 20 a week for up to 22 months to carry out services which city and county councils cannot currently deliver, the Irish Independent has learned.

    Some 351 people have already been referred for garda vetting under the 'Gateways Initiative', and the first placements have already commenced.

    The initiative has been agreed with unions, and is designed to support councils in meeting local demands for improvements. Workers who refuse to engage in the initiative face the prospect of social welfare payments being reduced, or having payments suspended.
    So if you've been on the Dole for over 2 years you may be one of 3000 people who will have the choice of working for 4 a day on top of your dole or have it cut!

    Surely it will cost many people more than 4 a day just on travel expenses to get to work?

    What will this do for peoples self-respect if they are told to work on drainage systems for 1 an hour for 22 months, with no hope of a job at the end of it, and it will actually probably cost many of them money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcadeparade View Post
    Dole recipients to get extra



    So if you've been on the Dole for over 2 years you may be one of 3000 people who will have the choice of working for 4 a day on top of your dole or have it cut!

    Surely it will cost many people more than 4 a day just on travel expenses to get to work?

    What will this do for peoples self-respect if they are told to work on drainage systems for 1 an hour for 22 months, with no hope of a job at the end of it, and it will actually probably cost many of them money?
    The latest in a long line of scams that FG have thought up to massage the unemployment figures.

    Why isn't 'I'm alright Jack' O'Connor and SIPTU kicking off about this?

    I can tell you this, when the PS unions are as quiet as they are, the rest of us are being screwed......
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcadeparade View Post
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    So if you've been on the Dole for over 2 years you may be one of 3000 people who will have the choice of working for €4 a day on top of your dole or have it cut!

    Surely it will cost many people more than €4 a day just on travel expenses to get to work?

    What will this do for peoples self-respect if they are told to work on drainage systems for €1 an hour for 22 months, with no hope of a job at the end of it, and it will actually probably cost many of them money?
    absolute discrace!!!!!
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    Proper order imo. The country has a huge untapped resource in the swathes of unemployed. Since they are on the government payroll anyway, why shouldn't they be put to work sweeping the roads, emptying bins and other unskilled menial tasks. The same with our prison population. In countries like Japan, prisoners are put to work to boost the economy. People who have had a negative impact on the nation now have a positive one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fo Real View Post
    Proper order imo. The country has a huge untapped resource in the swathes of unemployed. Since they are on the government payroll anyway, why shouldn't they be put to work sweeping the roads, emptying bins and other unskilled menial tasks. The same with our prison population. In countries like Japan, prisoners are put to work to boost the economy. People who have had a negative impact on the nation now have a positive one.
    sorry mate but thats just a plain wrong way to look at things..... the people on the arent criminals theyre just out of work and putting them on 4 a day for working is exploiting them simple as!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fo Real View Post
    Proper order imo. The country has a huge untapped resource in the swathes of unemployed. Since they are on the government payroll anyway, why shouldn't they be put to work sweeping the roads, emptying bins and other unskilled menial tasks. The same with our prison population. In countries like Japan, prisoners are put to work to boost the economy. People who have had a negative impact on the nation now have a positive one.
    How I wish that were true. Unfortunately people seem to keep voting for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr.Ted Crilly View Post
    The latest in a long line of scams that FG have thought up to massage the unemployment figures.

    Why isn't 'I'm alright Jack' O'Connor and SIPTU kicking off about this?

    I can tell you this, when the PS unions are as quiet as they are, the rest of us are being screwed......
    Oh FFS give the PS nonsense a rest and actually address the issue rather than pandering to lazy stereotypes. And besides the unions should be about the workers which this clearly is not.

    To make this scheme better they coukd rule out people who have made over 26 prsi contributions and those who have no convictions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr.Ted Crilly View Post
    The latest in a long line of scams that FG have thought up to massage the unemployment figures.

    Why isn't 'I'm alright Jack' O'Connor and SIPTU kicking off about this?

    I can tell you this, when the PS unions are as quiet as they are, the rest of us are being screwed......
    From reading the article there's nothing to indicate that people doing this would be removed from the unemployment figures. Agree it would be unacceptable if they were. So really at the moment it just comes down to whether or not you think it's reasonable for long term unemployed people to put something into society in exchange for the dole.

    Or to put it another way: In your scenarion If you've been working 40 hours a week looking for work for 2 years, recieving a minimum of €15k from the state and not had any luck finding work, I find it hard to believe that only working 20 hours a week looking will have a detrimental effect on your chances. So it's just a question of whether or not you should put something into the state,while recieving a little bit more, getting back into a working environment etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcadeparade View Post
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    So if you've been on the Dole for over 2 years you may be one of 3000 people who will have the choice of working for 4 a day on top of your dole or have it cut!

    Surely it will cost many people more than 4 a day just on travel expenses to get to work?

    What will this do for peoples self-respect if they are told to work on drainage systems for 1 an hour for 22 months, with no hope of a job at the end of it, and it will actually probably cost many of them money?
    This is governmental north Korean gangster-ism!
    The fecking politicians and bankers should be made clean sh8t and piss systems also north Korean style for the fecking mess that we are presently in.

    Kenny, didn't happen to mention this in his 'overly optimistic' address to the nation, last week........Sc8mbags!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedogs View Post
    sorry mate but thats just a plain wrong way to look at things..... the people on the arent criminals theyre just out of work and putting them on 4 a day for working is exploiting them simple as!!!!
    I'm not claiming that dole recipients are criminals. Perhaps prisoners was a bad analogy to use. My point was there is no such thing as free money. Dole recipients, prisoners and all other groups who are a drain on the nation's coffers can not expect to sit back and watch the money roll in. Prisoners have free meals provided, free accommodation, electricity, everything. Dole recipients get all this in an indirect way too. Why shouldn't they provide a service that benefits the taxpayers who pay for their welfare? No need for the government to hire gardeners or binmen. Put the idle dolesters to work instead.
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