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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    Ah yes.....the red hand of Ulster, and of course "Ulster will fight" etc. What is your point ?
    That many Loalist/Unionists see themselves as Irish and always have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dadaist View Post
    That many Loalist/Unionists see themselves as Irish and always have.

    They must be the Irish people who make one trip a year to the republic while on their way to the ferry at Rosslare....but only in convoy mind you, just in case of a breakdown in Injun territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    They must be the Irish people who make one trip a year to the republic while on their way to the ferry at Rosslare....but only in convoy mind you, just in case of a breakdown in Injun territory.
    I thought we were the Mad Mexicans..?...if Dundalk is El Paso.... Dublin must be Mexico city.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    Er that is highly unlikely

    Why would they when their is no incentive to do so

    Look at the North

    - do the Loyalists up there see themselves as Irish?

    Assimilation only takes place when the number of immigrants is low

    When it reaches critical mass then they tend to stick with their own kind
    That's not true of all immigrant groups in all countries. And the comparison to Loyalists isn't here nor there. Theres other variables in that that simply don't come into play with immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    That's not true of all immigrant groups in all countries. And the comparison to Loyalists isn't here nor there. Theres other variables in that that simply don't come into play with immigrants.
    Yes its not true in every case - but generally it is true

    Integration is rare when large blocks of different people live side by side

    Look at Britain for instance

    Same will happen here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpa View Post
    Yes its not true in every case - but generally it is true

    Integration is rare when large blocks of different people live side by side
    I'm not sure I agree. People of certain backgrounds, and I'd include the Irish in this, seem to have trouble integrating into new societies and leaving go of the country of origin. I'm assuming we're talking about 2nd generation and onwards here. Others simply don't. They just melt away. I'm not sure what factors come into play here, but to say it's a numbers game would to me, be ignoring all the other factors that cause this. There's more Swedes living in England than there is living in Malmö, but within a generation they melt away into the background.

    Look at Britain for instance

    Same will happen here...[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    I'm not sure I agree. People of certain backgrounds, and I'd include the Irish in this, seem to have trouble integrating into new societies and leaving go of the country of origin. I'm assuming we're talking about 2nd generation and onwards here. Others simply don't. They just melt away. I'm not sure what factors come into play here, but to say it's a numbers game would to me, be ignoring all the other factors that cause this. There's more Swedes living in England than there is living in Malmö, but within a generation they melt away into the background.

    Look at Britain for instance

    Same will happen here...
    [/QUOTE]

    Sure people of similar backgrounds have a better chance of integrating

    The Irish as far as i can see have integrated pretty well into the societies they emigrated to

    Swedes and English are not too different

    But Pakistani Muslims and English certainly are!

    BTW - I fully respect sincere Muslims

    - so not having a go at anyone's Religion per se!
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    Sure people of similar backgrounds have a better chance of integrating[/QUOTE]

    So whose to say that Eastern Europeans in Ireland won't, within a generation or two melt away too? If they're allowed to that is..

    The Irish as far as i can see have integrated pretty well into the societies they emigrated to
    Eventually, but there's still a white Irish box on the UK cenus form. Whys that? Surly at this stage, the vast majority of them are simply British, right?

    Swedes and English are not too different
    They're more different to each other than the Irish and the English are to one another.

    But Pakistani Muslims and English certainly are!
    Sure, but they can still integrate into British society and the many of them do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    Sure people of similar backgrounds have a better chance of integrating
    So whose to say that Eastern Europeans in Ireland won't, within a generation or two melt away too? If they're allowed to that is..



    Eventually, but there's still a white Irish box on the UK cenus form. Whys that? Surly at this stage, the vast majority of them are simply British, right?


    They're more different to each other than the Irish and the English are to one another.


    Sure, but they can still integrate into British society and the many of them do.[/QUOTE]


    Who the feck is your king?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devane View Post
    Who the feck is your king?
    Ever hear of an English republican?
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