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    Pope says Prods "not true churches"

    Another blow struck for ecumenism and inter-church understanding and harmony in Ireland and worldwide by our friend Pope Benny in this latest move revealed in the Irish Times Breaking News service :

    Pope claims primacy of Catholic Church

    Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document published today that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

    Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

    On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

    Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

    In the latest document - formulated as five questions and answers - the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

    It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

    In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.

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    "Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.

    The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

    "I don't know what motivated it at this time," she said. "But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics."

    The document said Orthodox churches were indeed "churches" because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed "many elements of sanctification and of truth." But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope — a defect, or a "wound" that harmed them, it said.

    "This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church," the commentary said.

    Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

    "However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith," the commentary said.

    The document, signed by the congregation prefect, US Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul - a major ecumenical feast day.

    There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation

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    It's not that much of a blow - its been the official position of the Roman Catholic Church forever and a day.

    On the ground things are very different and ecumenism is going very well both on a national and local level.

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    So what? All religions think they have the truth and others are at best, mistaken. Ask any Jew or Muslim.

    (Reply to first post.)

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    Presumably, this gives various brands of Shinners carte blanche for murdering Prods again.

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    So what indeed! Who cares what one set of believers in a bunch of fictional characters think about other sets of believers in fictional characters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanad voter
    Presumably, this gives various brands of Shinners carte blanche for murdering Prods again.
    Put down the bottle of whiskey and step away from the keyboard...
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    Congratulations to pope for standing up for his churchs foundations, although i dont agree with them. If only the Anglicans would do the same i might have a bit of respect for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason
    Congratulations to pope for standing up for his churchs foundations, although i dont agree with them. If only the Anglicans would do the same i might have a bit of respect for them.
    Anglicans need to work out their foundations first

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfás
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason
    Congratulations to pope for standing up for his churchs foundations, although i dont agree with them. If only the Anglicans would do the same i might have a bit of respect for them.
    Anglicans need to work out their foundations first
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