Pope says Prods "not true churches"

[Galvatron]

How dare anyone compare the IRA to a LEGITIMATE army such as the British & American Armies. That is absolute contempt. Its like comparing street dogs with Champion horses, they only have minimal comparisons i.e. both end life, albeit the IRA have killed more catholics than their enemies ever have.

And is there any chance that one thread on this forum could be saved from an IRA angled discussion.

i take your point in theory, yet i doubt any of the hundreds of thousands murdered by english and american forces in iraq view them as a "legitimate" army now do they. the invasion itself was illegitiamte and illegal too.

and i doubt any catholics murdered by the british army in the six counties view them as legitimate as opposed to an illegal force of agression and colonial occupation...

i doubt any the people whose relatives were murdered by british military intelligence in the dublin monaghan bombings view the british army as legitimate...

im not hear to make apologias for the ira being a pacifist myself, but dont try to tell me the english army hasnt throughout its history even today engaged in indiscriminate slaughter of civilians aLL OVER THE WORLD and used terrorism as weapon against whichever unfortunate native people they were trying to subjugate. todays its iraq.

one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

to you the ira are terrorists.

to the people of northern ireland, iraq, afghanistan etc. its the british army who are terrorists.

[johnfás]

Galvatron, you've had your rant. Now can you please stay on topic or find another thread which suits what you want to talk about!

[johnfás]

Jonfas, with all due respect and thanks for sticking to the topic unlike Galvatron, I dont think semantics comes into play here, to be perfectly honest and humble about the whole thing I rather tackle the simple theological issues i.e. the most prominent such as s3x before marriage etc. I agree semantics comes into play but surely the Catholic Church is so fastened in their thinking on such that they have left no room for semantics thus leaving those who dwell and wishing to interpret such rules and in most case interpret them as they see fit as being........ a-la-carte Catholics

The Protestant Churches equally speak out against sexual promiscuity and Protestant equally ignore such teachings as do Catholics the teachings of their Church.

In terms of semantics I was talking about their non recognition of Protestant Churches as Churches which is merely rhetoric and doesn't mean a whole lot when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of ecumenism although it does limit the extent to which it can develop.

[joefish]

And is there any chance that one thread on this forum could be saved from an IRA angled discussion.

As mentioned in my earlier post is there any chance of this at all Galvatron?

[joefish]

Now jonfas, please dont compare the Protestant Churches views on S3x to that of the Catholic Church, they are very different, indeed and im not being pedantic but lets be honest didnt protestants come about because of an argument on morals and especially sexual morals. Our viewpoint is far more relaxed and more in touch with reality and to be honest i must have been out for those services and bible camp sessions but never ever ever have I been told to abstain from s3x before marriage.

[johnfás]

Now jonfas, please dont compare the Protestant Churches views on S3x to that of the Catholic Church, they are very different, indeed and im not being pedantic but lets be honest didnt protestants come about because of an argument on morals and especially sexual morals. Our viewpoint is far more relaxed and more in touch with reality and to be honest i must have been out for those services and bible camp sessions but never ever ever have I been told to abstain from s3x before marriage.

1998 Lambeth Conference Resolution 1.10 (b)
This Conference in view of the teaching of Scripture, upholds faithfulness in marriage between a man and a woman in lifelong union, and believes that abstinence is right for those who are not called to marriage.

The viewpoint of the Protestant Churches is no more relaxed on issues of sexual abstinence. Possibly it is simply that Protestants are more a-la-carte with their following of the rules than you thought?

And whilst the Anglican Church came into existence due to Henry VIII's marital difficulties, the Protestant Reformation did not come about over issues of sexual morality but rather 95 issues which Luther pointed out... equally this isn't a thread on the origins of the Protestant reformation.

[Supermanpolitician]

Presumably, this gives various brands of Shinners carte blanche for murdering Prods again.

What a ridiculous statement!

This implies that the Shinners listen to the Pope. If so they weren't too attentive with the old not murdering thing that the Catholic church are quite strong on.

[johnfás]

Presumably, this gives various brands of Shinners carte blanche for murdering Prods again.

What a ridiculous statement!

This implies that the Shinners listen to the Pope. If so they weren't too attentive with the old not murdering thing that the Catholic church are quite strong on.

I think there's a general consensus on how ridiculous a statement that was :P

[madura]

At least Anglicans abide by the most fundamental and i might add the FOUNDATIONS of their faith, people are so quick to reply that they are practicing Catholics yet do not abide by the tenets of their faith i.e. having s3x before marriage, using contraception etc

Now don’t get me wrong, im the first to acknowledge that these tenets are archaic and detached from human character and even dangerous given the epidemics we have HOWEVER, please dont add to the 99% of a-la-carte Catholics when you say you are Catholic when you dont obey the rules. Absolute Hypocrites .. If I were Catholic which thankfully I am not I could not and would not introduce my child to such a faith, knowing that he/she will inevitable or have a 99.9% of detaching from all the 'rule' the faith imposes.

And lest we forget and lets be honest here; this is a man who presides over a faith which has nurtured paedophiles for centuries.

Rgds,

A Proud Practing Anglican

That's your contribution to the ecumenical spirit, is it? Very nice. I believe Catholics have a built-in tolerance for error and lapses of various kinds.

TOLERANCE, now you really would give Tommy Tiernan a run for his money, crack a few more like that, I getting a great laugh from that one.

You find that incredible? That has always been my experience of Catholicism. But what would I know; I just grew up in the religion.

[Galvatron]

Galvatron, you've had your rant. Now can you please stay on topic or find another thread which suits what you want to talk about!

why are you saying this to me and not joefish who brought it up???

i'll respond to posts as i choose with all due courtesy and respect and without your permission.

thanx